22 Nov 2023 16:28:26
Seems support for Everton's 'unfair points deduction' appeal is gathering support from all and sundry. Might I suggest a fairer solution: Automatic relegation next year irrespective as to where they finish this season would right last season's wrong.
{Ed025's Note - sounds like sour grapes to me Whiesee, you and the other criers were relegated because you were crapper that Everton mate, and for no other reason whatsoever..
22 Nov 2023 18:00:09
But were Everton less crap because of their ability to spend?
{Ed025's Note - no mate the money was not a factor, it was spent on other things than players, we probably had a worse squad than most of the claimants but got though with guts and determination, plus the supporters of course..
22 Nov 2023 18:59:26
Well people, as I have said before, why worry about anything beyond our control. Teams are rewarded, or otherwise, by performances on the pitch. Who cares about other clubs or what is said about us, we are Leeds, that is everything. Concentrate on the positives. Great owners, great manager, great squad, great position in our league. Things have been much worse. Why expend time effort and emotion over anything that is even a second old. It's in the past, cannot be affected or changed. Now is the time. UTWDTP.
{Ed025's Note - well said vid..
22 Nov 2023 19:03:08
The point is they breach the rules no matter where the money was spent and didn’t get away with it, it’s like going down a one way road because no car were coming up the road at the time you went down it. Case closed.
{Ed025's Note - i agree Everton have done wrong Whiteman and should be punished, however i think most will agree that the punishment was very harsh, and if you all want to sue someone then sue the Premier League, they decided the time frame and the Toffees had no say in that mate..
22 Nov 2023 19:45:29
Money was spent on other things than players was it Ed?
How come in those 3 years Evertons net spend on players was £83 million then?
{Ed025's Note - that was still well under the limit Canada, if you read the report you will see that there were mitigating circumstances concerning quite a few things that happened during that time mate, im not saying we are innocent because we certainly are not but the punishment has to fit the crime..
22 Nov 2023 20:23:44
Ed025 I fully agree The FA are as bent as they come you can see the injustice we week out.
{Ed025's Note - im waiting with baited breath to see what is meted out to Chelsea and City Whiteman, as you say the whole game is corrupt mate and i have lost all faith that it will ever change..
22 Nov 2023 20:56:01
Again I fully agree Man City 20 point or demoted to conference league would be better and the same to Chelsea.
{Ed025's Note - amen to that mate ?..
22 Nov 2023 21:28:20
You spent/ lost more than allowed end of. Should have clarified factors that were potential mitigating factors. Obviously didn't so too late now.
Every other club knew they had done it and were trying to BS their way out of it which is why the threats of legal action existed.
You break the rules, pay the price.
{Ed025's Note - i agree with the last bit canada but we worked with the premiere league over this period and i think it was harsh mate, maybe if city get docked 1150 points for their 115 transgressions then it would seem fair, but i cant see that happening can you?..
22 Nov 2023 23:29:14
ED25 I personally don't think the punishment is overly harsh but I would qualify that with if the same punishment is meted to whoever breaks the same rule and by the same extent.
What I'm getting at is in this process the authorities have to be even handed. Clubs also need to know where they stand taking off points mid season and then appeals happening means clubs don't where they stand as this process.
A lot have said before whatever happens Everton should be OK because the the teams around them are really poo.
{Ed025's Note - i think we will be OK Ben but it still seems very harsh to me mate, a transfer embargo or a fine or maybe a small points deduction would have been the order of the day for me, but of course im biased, it does open a can of worms though with City and Chelsea up next...lets see how that goes..
23 Nov 2023 08:49:12
Ed - it’d to be interesting to see how the overspend of only £20m was arrived at, as no analysis I’ve previously seen has suggested it was anywhere near as low as that, even allowing for spend on ‘other things’. And quite how Everton can claim c.v. to have been a mitigating factor for them more than any of the clubs that didn’t overspend is quite ridiculous.
{Ed025's Note - certainly mistakes have been made Clueless (or major fraud whichever way you look at it), but apparently we were in constant contact with the powers that be all along so i dont see why it came to this mate..
23 Nov 2023 08:51:12
Ed25 you don't need to tell leeds about harsh. In our fall from grace they made sure they got their pound of flesh.
But it was better than going under so.
{Ed025's Note - we are both easy targets Ben, when you see the likes of the supposedly big 6 getting a measly fine for trying to set up the European super league i think it tells you all you need to know mate..
23 Nov 2023 10:39:41
No issue with citeh getting docked too when they are found guilty.
Many others likely in the same position too!
{Ed025's Note - Chelsea and Spurs to name just 2 Canada mate..
23 Nov 2023 13:20:31
Ed25 Not a very harsh or even harsh punishment imo but slightly harsh. I thought Toffees would receive a 7 or 8 point deduction and that would be fair. In a way you ought to be pleased. You'd only go down this season with a 24 point deduction so you are safe but the precedent it sets later will hurt Citeh and Chelski a lot more.
{Ed025's Note - i think if we were to get a ban George then this is the season to get one which is very fortunate for us, i still think we will be safe which is paramount with the new stadium being due to open next Christmas mate, if i were City or Chelsea i would be very worried, but the corruption involved in football these days means i wont be holding my breath just yet..
23 Nov 2023 13:46:52
Whats the point of rules if the penalty for breaking them is slap on wrist, or say a paltry £1million fine?
Clubs in the big time show scant regard to newly arrived champo clubs and dare i say have an arrogance of believing that its a god given for their club to be in Prem .
10 points deduction with an overfinanced squad of players of course is an advantage on a sqyad of players who are within the FFP rules, as we all know the so called better players cost more &earn nore so that's why the advantage Everton had is clear .
10 points is in no way harsh as ultimately the benifit of staying up is colossal so there HAS TO BE a worthwhile penalty for breaking the rules the club signed upto
Mitigating factors is just jargon for breaking the rules .
{Ed025's Note - i can see your point Chris, i just think that at 10 points the bar has been set very high mate, what do City and Chelsea get? they are serial offenders so it would have to be relegation and loss of titles you would think, but do you really see the Premier league killing the golden goose?...i dont..
23 Nov 2023 17:17:13
A question with a caveat for Ed; as I have no idea about you or your age, it’s a speculative question! How did you feel back in the day with the league treatment of our club? Was that also excessive and an injustice? And do you think that the media / pundits should have also shown us the same level of sympathy / empathy as your team are receiving?
{Ed025's Note - im 65 BW and remember leeds when you had Paul Reaney, Mick Jones, Billy Bremner etc, i was a massive fan back in the day, the thing is that like you we are not a big club anymore and are easy targets mate, its all about the Big 6 now and the rest dont matter im afraid..
23 Nov 2023 18:33:51
Wonder as to why my lunchtime comment on this thread was blocked today lads?
Nothing libelous or confrontational or unsubstansiated in it .
{Ed025's Note - if you want to post it again Chris i will certainly have a look at it mate..
23 Nov 2023 19:45:41
Cheers pal, i don't think it was o 1st reel of commemts, but clearly is now.
24 Nov 2023 06:21:48
Leeds was a 15 points deduction in the EFl and 75% of the EFL’s clubs who voted in an appeal by Leeds found they did not deserve any lessening of their points deduction. Not a big surprise really.!
But if you want to talk about the biggest points deduction that would be owned by Luton, a massive 30 points for breaking the insolvency rules which did send them out of the EFL. It is a big credit to them if you look at where they are now.
Did Everton deserve 10 points deduction is up to the individual, whether it’s connected to a self serving agenda or not.
In my opinion an appeal will be futile and Everton as a club and it’s fans would be better concentrating all their efforts in getting out of the relegation zone which is only a couple of points and considering the form they are playing with recently it shouldn’t be a massive uphill task.
History also shows that most of these teams served with huge points deductions which also include Bournemouth, Rotherham and Derby, all galvanized and picked up more points than expected.
{Ed025's Note - you make some good points there OP, but Everton fans think its time to stand up to these rule makers who think they can ride roughshod over the smaller clubs, yes we should still survive but sometimes you have to stand up these bullies mate..
24 Nov 2023 07:13:51
ED I wouldn’t take it personally to what the EPL are dishing out to Everton. I felt the same way you are right now when our club was dealt with.
It is my belief that this whole exercise is about the EPL flexing its muscles and saying it’s not going to tolerate anymore breaking of the FFP rules and that is a direct threat to Man City, Chelsea and any other club who do it.
Will Man City and Chelsea be dealt with? time will tell. I can’t imagine titles will be stripped but points deductions should be delivered if found guilty.
We’ll see.
{Ed025's Note - dont get me wrong OP we did wrong and deserve a punishment, i think 10 points is a bit excessive myself but being an Evertonian i would say that, my point is that this sets a precedent and anyone who breaches FFP rules should be losing points, we had 1 case to answer whereas other teams (namely City) have 115 cases to answer for, does this mean they will possibly be deducted 1150 points?, my fears are that the brown envelope brigade will be out in force and the cases against them will be tied up for years by their legal teams, call me cynical but i think we have been made an example of because we are not one of the biggest clubs and we are an easy target mate..
24 Nov 2023 08:48:31
Indeed Ed0025 no one should hold their breath on any " justice " being meted out quickly, if at all, in the Citeh cases!
Pretty sure I read the Citeh case could take up to 4 years minimum with its lawyers having appealed against each and everyone of the 115 cases to answer to.
{Ed025's Note - it’s already an accumulation of the last 9 years BV. How long do these charlatans need mate?..
24 Nov 2023 09:30:20
Re 4 years to wait for any verdict
Daily Mail article 8th February 2023
' The Premier League's case against Man City for allegedly breaching their financial fair play rules 115 TIMES could take FOUR YEARS to reach a verdict ' according to one of Britain's leading lawyers Nick De Marco KC.
24 Nov 2023 14:55:38
Ed25 In a word, yes. 1150 points are on the table. A penalty amounting to a third of that ought to see them go into League Two. Half ought to see them kicked out of the football league.
{Ed025's Note - I can’t wait to see them playing in the Northern Premier league George. Let’s see if Grealish gets away with diving then mate.. ?
24 Nov 2023 18:47:11
Can Man Utd not be blamed for Citeh’s overspending, please?
{Ed025's Note - love it BW..