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29 Jul 2025 05:50:48
Looks like Schmidt wants to leave now which will give the recruitment team more work to do to find a replacement for him. Don’t think we should rely solely on on a semi crocked Byam to cover both RB and LB positions.
The reality is Schmidt is a young ambitious player but it doesn’t look likely that he will be claiming Bogles position any time soon., even though he looks promising.
1.) 29 Jul 2025 07:12:45
A real loss to the team if Schmidt goes, and a bit of an unusual move to Leeds to agree to let him leave when we need cover back there.
Byram isn't a replacement for Schmidt.
2.) 29 Jul 2025 07:28:17
I don't even think he's looked that good when he's played. All huff and bluster. It's a lesson for the board this one imo. If the gaffer doesn't want him, don't sign him.
3.) 29 Jul 2025 07:58:40
Brighty - if you’ve got an impression that it’s all huff and bluster, it’s probably just the lad’s desperation to prove himself to Farke in the pitifully small amount of time he’s been given on the pitch. He’s actually a decent player. If Byram, who Farke put his total trust due to their established player/ manager relationship, hadn’t been here, Schmidt would have had far more opportunity to show what he’s actually capable of.
4.) 29 Jul 2025 09:03:34
Agree clue. I was impressed with him everyone he was on the pitch in whatever position. I’d go as far as to say that mostly when he was on the pitch, he was our best player at that time. Clearly a Farke issue here. Bit of a Shame cause lad can play.
5.) 29 Jul 2025 09:46:09
Agree Schmidt is an international player of decent quality who has not been given a chance, it's a shame but can't blame him wanting to leave and you guys are correct Bryan is not sufficient cover for one position never mind 2.
6.) 29 Jul 2025 09:56:25
Huff and puff
Step forward the 1 and only
Mr Aaronson,
Will we be lucky enough to offload this fella?
Will get torn apart next Seez.
7.) 29 Jul 2025 10:12:29
We see these players wants a week if you get the drift mot.
8.) 29 Jul 2025 10:31:17
We aren't looking to offload Aaronson as far as I know.
9.) 29 Jul 2025 10:35:58
Schmitt has shown nothing to say he was a good buy IMO.
Always seemed to have to think what to do rather than just be instinctive. No loss.
10.) 29 Jul 2025 11:54:35
Lol Chris. Very true!
11.) 29 Jul 2025 12:28:11
I suspect had Aaronson only cost us £7 million and not the outrageous £25 million he would have been released quick smart and although I truly hope I'm made to eat my words and Aaronson surprises us all I think the owners are hoping BA can look like he belongs in the EPL and his market value increases because atm I can't imagine any club would want to splash more than £7 million on the fella so a big PSR loss.
12.) 29 Jul 2025 12:32:13
Schmidt never got a look in but he's played at a decent level. The problem is that we have two FB's who are going to be playing the majority of the time. Byram can cover but has injury issues so we need at least one more FB if Schmidt goes. So you buy bench warmers who're not as good as your two main men, will play very little and then get criticism when they do come on and don't perform.
I know Farke likes to run with a small squad but the Premier League is completely different to the Championship in intensity and I think we want decent cover who we can trust because there will be injuries and fatigue and rotation will be important.
13.) 29 Jul 2025 13:35:44
I don't get why some of you are so keen on Schmidt? I've seen every minute he's played for rhe first team, live when it comes to home games and I've watched him off the ball and he's shown absolutely nothing. Barely gets over half way when he plays full back. I've got nothing against the lad, I'm sure he does his best but he just doesn't have the talent for the Championship, never mind the Premier League. What am I not seeing?
14.) 30 Jul 2025 00:00:30
Talent dogood .
15.) 31 Jul 2025 23:48:16
Well really lads if you look at Schmidt, on YouTube he does nt look half bad, he can hit the ball he s pretty energetic, and doesn’t look bad but what you ve got to remember he s had no game time, and your saying he has nt really gone over half way line, but is that what he s been told you surely can t judge him off what he’s done because if you watched him before coming to us he played wing or left back for club and country, so I don’t think he s that bad, and the other thing is farke, wanted him but has nt played him, so again is it something there, because we will see if mr farke, is any good this year when he s got to pick the team, who do you leave out stach, long staff, griev, amps, and mr tanaka, then struick, rodon, bijol, bogle, guds, and he s also bringing in more so good luck, and like I’ve said before you can t keep everyone happy.
31 Jan 2025 23:07:54
Having read the interview with Ivan Juric on whether Archer may be released, reading between the lines I would say there is a hint of possible negotiations of his departure.
Archer could be considered as a decent number nine whose performances have been stifled at Southampton. We are lightweight in that position and there could be something happening on that front.
It might be an interesting development over the coming days.?
1.) 01 Feb 2025 01:27:00
Would be nice to get just one in. Just to show they were actively looking and not smoke screening us. Think he would be a useful addition. He will see an opportunity to start regularly if he hits the ground running.
2.) 01 Feb 2025 02:29:06
Any striker that can shoot outside of the box will either score or assist 20 goals this season.
3.) 01 Feb 2025 08:20:13
Despite an injury scare it looks like Lath will leave Middlesbrough for Atlanta for an inflated fee. They'll maybe be looking for a replacement striker despite signing Whitaker and Wolves could well be in the market if Cunha pushes for a move to Arsenal who are in greater need than us.
Like many of the posts it's a concern that it's all left so late. The others have strengthened and Wilder is still saying we're in the market a CB, their fifth signing. They've completed with us and have now added half a team. What have we done? Sold and loaned out although they were probably correct decisions.
4.) 01 Feb 2025 09:57:47
Archer has a good record in Champo . fingers crossed.
5.) 01 Feb 2025 12:11:07
Exactly dun. Look at the 90 min transfer page. It’s lacking one team only.
6.) 01 Feb 2025 13:26:10
And sounds like Clarets adding to the squad with Marcus Edwards, attacking midfielder.
7.) 01 Feb 2025 14:02:05
Archer not even in squad vIpswich. Surprised as they need a win. Suggests he's not up for it or he's going, or both.
8.) 01 Feb 2025 14:22:34
Nah Aus . not under handbrake Farkey
speaking of teams that DO actually score FIVE or SIX or SEVEN
NUNO and CHRIS WOOD masterclass
Forest 7 vs Brighton 0.
9.) 01 Feb 2025 20:42:03
Imagine scoring FIVE or SIX or SEVEN!
10.) 02 Feb 2025 01:43:38
Lol Cuppa.
30 Jan 2025 12:12:11
Southampton possibly succumbing to the inevitability that they will be relegated and may offload Cameron Archer for a loan with a view to buy. Saints have debunked the talk but a few more days to go yet?
1.) 30 Jan 2025 12:50:15
All we singing/ saying is " Get us some players "???????.
25 Dec 2024 07:22:11
Looks like it’s Joe Gelhardt the player that is likely to depart for Wrexham in January and not Paddy.
Bamford’s Premiership wages being the problem potentially.
I think for Gelhardt he does need to consider his future career as it doesn’t seem likely at all he’ll get any game time with us, especially if we make it to the Prem.
Good luck to the young man if it happens.
1.) 25 Dec 2024 12:15:23
Joffy definitely better at Wrexham rather than the much touted move to Rangers.
2.) 26 Dec 2024 03:29:01
Yep. Either or. Maybe get 3 mill for him.
Gelhardt that is.
3.) 29 Dec 2024 16:23:45
Sounds like the agents of Mes, Bamford and Geldhardt are putting out stories to see which clubs take the bait.
I hope Geldhardt goes and sets the league on fire. He has some real talent that needs nurturing and he has to do it sooner than later. Leeds have missed the chance with him, best to let him go and grow.
4.) 29 Dec 2024 17:21:54
I would say it’s the other way around to be fair MoT; he has missed a massive chance, not us. I do however he will do as you say, and go on elsewhere, albeit a less competitive arena, and do well.
5.) 30 Dec 2024 09:36:55
Joffy . talented and never given a prolonged proper chance when he was causing panic in opposition defences in EPL . home to Wolvea and Norwich. Played well at Chelsea
But has also had many injuries . and as such he seems to have slowed down and regressed past 2 seasons.
27 Aug 2024 13:39:51
If the Max Aaron’s rumour is true that would be a real scrap for that right back position with Bogle already starting there.
Can’t see it myself but you never know, CB for me would be the more important signing, losing Rodon or Pascal or both at the same time, God forbid could be a hideous situation for us.
1.) 27 Aug 2024 14:25:50
Agree Opti. Cb more important.
Plus ham of course.
2.) 27 Aug 2024 14:30:54
Yep, it would be strange to only have youth cover for those two if Wober is leaving.
3.) 27 Aug 2024 17:43:25
OP If Aarons comes in, Bogle could be deployed RM/ RW as cover, rotation for DJ.
4.) 27 Aug 2024 21:37:41
Aarons can also play left back so he covers us on both sides. Have a feeling we might sell Firpo in January so Aarons and Bogle will end up being first choice.
5.) 28 Aug 2024 22:51:01
God forbid is right.
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18 Nov 2025 08:07:11
Just wondering how the Wales game tonight might affect the confidence of our Welsh team players, Rodon, Ampadu and James.
It can’t go without mentioning when they lost, I think it was the euro qualification in March 24’ their form dropped when we were gunning for promotion, especially James who missed their penalty.
On the subject of Wales, will Leeds be having a second go at trying to sign Harry Wilson from Fulham in the January transfer window?
I think most Leeds fans will be screaming for a striker but I don’t think we’ll be in the market for both striker and winger for obvious financial reasons.
Due to our injury depleted wingers this season, in my opinion it would be way too risky to not invest in a winger.
Harry Wilson would appear to be the likelier target I imagine in January.
1.) 18 Nov 2025 08:23:09
Get large back and buy a striker. Sell James and buy a winger. Simple.
2.) 18 Nov 2025 09:01:24
Ramazani hasn’t played enough football for a long time, plus there’s his recent injury.
I seriously doubt he will be of any use to us in the Premiership.
I’m beginning to believe he was a poor buy in the transfer market, I think they hoped he would push on and develop into a better player but it seems he has remained static.
3.) 18 Nov 2025 09:27:43
I hope James doesn't get injured
Have a clear out in January of players we don't need. If Farke was going to bench Tanaka like he has, we may as well have flogged him in summer when his stock was sky high.
4.) 18 Nov 2025 12:21:24
So how’s James doing for us this season opti. In the form of his life or injured or useless.
5.) 18 Nov 2025 12:38:50
I agree Aus, the only glimmer of hope I can see for Dan James as he has been below Premiership standards with us and other clubs, is that he has visibly improved his game in the last two seasons, but that was in the Championship.
Of course also his injuries can be a issue.
6.) 18 Nov 2025 13:19:14
I think we should cash in on bourn. Struik. Mez obviously. James. Dcl obviously and if we ain’t going to play him piroe too. got to be what 60 mill there maybe.
7.) 18 Nov 2025 19:37:32
MoT Farke had Tanaka on the bench for the first 10 or so games last season with Ampadu and Gruev as his first choice midfield pairing, then they both got crocked together, and Tanaka and Rothwell played every game for a couple of months. If sonething similar were to happen this season selling Tanaka would turn out to be a big mistake.
8.) 18 Nov 2025 22:01:34
Hopefully no injuries, and a confidence boost after a big win. James got on the score sheet as well.
9.) 19 Nov 2025 01:19:04
I hesitate to say this given the rabidly anti English attitude of a large number of Jocks and Taffys, but both Scotland and Wales were really good tonight. Like Craig Bellamy said after the Wales game I'd like to see all the home nations go to the World Cup, but sadly Northern Ireland are out now, and Wales still have work to do.
10.) 19 Nov 2025 11:33:18
Such a shame we didn’t nick Wilson on deadline day, he looked fantastic last night, admittedly it was against very poor opposition but he has a mercurial left foot and would be a significant improvement on what we currently have.
Zero chance unfortunately based on his recent performances for club and country.
{Ed001's Note - he is very lazy in club football.}
11.) 19 Nov 2025 11:42:12
I was going to post similar, but you've summed it up nicely JR!
12.) 19 Nov 2025 12:27:27
Lazy? Really surprised and wasn’t aware Ed, to be honest, I’ve seen very little of him other than highlights which obviously does not provide the full picture.
But placing a ball where he aims it makes him an attractive player for our team just now, as we are particularly weak with dead ball situations.
{Ed001's Note - I have watched him since he was in Liverpool's academy, he doesn't work hard at all. You are right though, his dead balls are excellent. If only he actually put the graft in, he would have had a chance of making it at Liverpool. It is sad that he has learnt nothing. If you could get work rate out of him, then he would be a very useful player for you, but I have a feeling you would just end up frustrated in 9 games and then love him for the 1 he provides something brilliant, then back to being frustrated by him!}
12 Nov 2025 06:59:09
The pressure that is now delivered before Daniel Farke is now undeniably huge and it very much looks like our game against Villa at home is a must not lose to keep for the time being his position in tact as our coach.
The more emotional fans are already calling for him to be sacked, but you have to consider Farke has been in this position before at Norwich, so for him maybe he is not crumbling under the immense pressure and might be able to adapt and figure a way to survive another day.
Let’s face it, any other new manager will only be living to survive another day with us anyhow, it’s just a question of do they have the nerve to dig our team out of the relegation hole come the end of this season.
The job of a Leeds manager in our position would not be a enviable one due to the perhaps unreasonable pressure and expectation we as fans place on them. It’s probably ten fold or more to the pressure Scott Parker will feel at Burnley.
1.) 12 Nov 2025 07:57:59
Take the money. Do the job.
I’ve read he was given 5 games to turn things around starting with forest. To me that's ridiculous. Although I’d expect to nick a few points here and there. Realistically we could lose them all.
As corkey said it’s the nature of recent 2.5 games performances that is disturbing. How’s that going to change against better teams. Imo we should have taken at least 5 more points already.
I really don’t get giving him more time. Just makes the new managers job harder. As I said last week. It’s going to happen 100%. Just do it.
It’s almost the 49ers want to be seen giving managers as much time as possible. It’s not a public appreciation society. It’s business. Dollars involved.
Whether a new manager keeps us up is besides the point. This one won’t.
2.) 12 Nov 2025 09:02:05
We've had three must win (not must lose) why they're persisting with farke I have no idea. The writing is on the wall, he will not change.
Our owners are clueless.
3.) 12 Nov 2025 09:11:54
Not sure it’s necessarily the more emotional supporters wanting Farke to go OP. It also may be misinterpreted as acting without clarity or good judgment, although I would challenge that description.
Sentiment is an emotion and predominantly it was sentiment that afforded Daniel another crack at the epl, if we are all in agreement of the cataclysmic difference in quality and standards between the two divisions.
It’s not emotional when supporters highlight specific flaws, refusal to adapt and change. Indeed, Bielsa had similar flaws, but secured us ninth position in a technically very similar team, he just had a ferocious mindset where players refused to stop for 100minutes every game.
But it’s a matter of fact, that to date anyway, Daniel has the worst record in epl management, and nothing we have witnessed against teams with our best chance of picking up points, recently supports keeping him in place in my opinion.
If as you describe the side is significantly short of quality and balance, leaving the status quo as is is more aligned to a form of insanity, which admittedly is certainly at the extreme end of the emotional scale.
I admit the board may be dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t make a change, but currently we are rabbits stuck in the headlights and I would prefer to take the Wet Sham, Florists approach who have both seen a bounce now new coaches have settled in.
4.) 12 Nov 2025 09:23:04
I imagine they have to equate whether there can be any improvement over the the next few games to see if there is any forward momentum or are we in decline, compared to a possible short new manager bounce then a possible rapid decline.
It’s tough a decision and it’s theirs and their investors millions not ours so I think they will think very carefully as to which decision they will make.
Radrizziani’s wrong decisions must of cost him millions and also left the club in a much weakened position after selling it. It’s in no owners interest to make the wrong decisions.
5.) 12 Nov 2025 11:26:14
Yet Many described Radz as our saviour at the time, a man who loved our club even
Where as now, it's bad Radz, it's all rooted in his failures same people are now saying
Seem to recall a younger better looking Ken Bates being said by someone ? at the time met with plenty derision.
6.) 12 Nov 2025 11:46:38
Radz wrong decisions didn't cost him a penny. He made a profit when he sold our club. They are still costing the club and the fans, however.
7.) 12 Nov 2025 13:35:11
Two years of the same tactics
I'm sure he will change this time.
8.) 12 Nov 2025 14:14:33
The owners are costing our club. Plain and simple.
No other explanation. They can sack the manager if they like. But it’s all their fault.
And yes. Please sack him.
But don’t for a minute think it’s all on him. It’s on you as well.
Typical yank hooo rah. Talk talk but wheelchair boumd.
9.) 12 Nov 2025 16:30:31
I understand that these days managers / coach’s can be sacked before the ink is dry on their contracts and we as fans are all emotionally invested by the events of our club’s fortunes and some more than others.
That doesn’t mean they are wrong for wanting their manager sacked even if they haven’t had a reasonable amount of time to get the tactics correct and so on and so forth.
For me personally i would still give Farke the time to try and get some more positive results.
But the way things are today you can win a title or a domestic trophy etc and then a few months later get the sack because league results maybe faltering due to many circumstances like new players adapting and players that have left the club, plus many other reasons.
I hear sentiment has no part in the game when sacking a manager, well it’s obvious that patience doesn’t either.
Managers have now become an item on a conveyor belt which in my belief is not healthy for football.
The three teams in the relegation zone have all changed their managers after only ten games.
Who knows whether it will work for them all, maybe as they are all equipped with pretty decent players unlike us and Burnley who I believe are different due to the lower quality in the ranks.
For the like of us promoted teams it’s more likely to go downhill in my opinion, it could be a case of sticking with the devil you know?
10.) 12 Nov 2025 17:15:48
Alf he probably just recouped the money that he would have most certainly lost from the period in the Championship.
I don’t think he ever really knew what he was letting himself in for when he bought our club.
I think in football terms he could be considered naive.
Having said that i would still shake his hand and say thank you for taking us out of that endless dark dungeon we spent many years in.
11.) 13 Nov 2025 01:54:55
From what's been knocking about opti, you will have your wish.
Farke has the next four games to make an improvement and I'll be honest, he won't and he won't be sacked. The 49ers will give him "just one more game" until the end of the January window then sack him.
12.) 13 Nov 2025 10:03:59
My wish is that we pick up more points over the forthcoming fixtures that will hopefully keep our heads above the drop zone. Hopefully that will continue to the end of the season, even if survival means one goal difference in 17th position.
I’m also not interested anymore in playing great football or that other teams have more possession and are all over us apparently like West Ham were at Elland rd.!
Staying up even if that means being Dirty Leeds again, I honestly don’t care, I also don’t care if it’s Daniel Farke or Russell Martin or Steven Gerrard who is our coach.
My wish is only for Leeds Utd to survive in its first season back in the Premiership to see another season.
13.) 13 Nov 2025 13:50:56
Which they most likely won’t opti. Brace yourself.
14.) 13 Nov 2025 13:50:56
Which they most likely won’t opti. Brace yourself.
11 Nov 2025 00:08:49
OptimistPesimistt has written an article entitled, Pressure Mounts On Leeds United Manager Daniel Farke
1.) 11 Nov 2025 09:35:04
Great article OP, think it’s an excellent assessment. 49ers may be giving him Villa game with home support or maybe they’re buying time looking for a replacement.
I’m definitely favouring a change even with what has become a very weak, unbalanced side.
I would remain on Farke if he reverted to the forward thinking mindset of last season, we’ve tried to do a Burnley and we’re clearly no good at that and consequently both us and Burnley will quickly return to the championship more with a whimper than any sign of fight.
The supporters aren’t stupid, they know and accept our limitations but they want to see the team fight, play with passion, energy, ambition have more than two players in the opposition half, make substitutions as a proactive move not a reactive one, and seriously when Farke says it’s either DJ or Okafor he can’t pick both but sticks with BA every week, well I simply cannot take him seriously.
Generally promoted teams go down but Sunderland (as Bielsa before) are showing you don’t have to apologise for being in the division.
Yes we could easily concede five for being open but is that really any worse than the consistent three goals we’re conceding by not even giving it a go.
2.) 11 Nov 2025 11:36:22
Excellent read OP, and an equally good follow up from class! Enjoyed both!
3.) 11 Nov 2025 12:56:40
Thank you whoever that was, it made my points of view more articulate.
Class, I’m not sure Farke will change his methods at away venues but I am expecting something with a bit more fight at Elland rd against Villa. Not sure it will make much difference though? We’ll see
Think if we get beaten easily it will be over for him.
4.) 11 Nov 2025 13:57:56
Yeah. Fight like spam. Can’t wait. Zzzzz.
10 Nov 2025 10:52:55
For me the over riding factor in this campaign to stay in the Premiership is the quality of the players we have in our squad are simply not good enough to keep us up.
I do believe Farke will be sacked sooner than later which does now have the air of inevitability about it, certainly with the fans and media all seemingly pointing towards it.
The 49er’s may give him his last chance saloon with the Villa game at Elland rd or they may not wait and do it over the International break.
For Farke he may fall on his feet with the vacant Middlesbrough job but for us I fear what ever coach you take and there won’t be many on offer, our fate is very likely sealed in relegation.
Due to the 49er’s recent Gerrard interest for Rangers, I can see him as their first choice coach to take over and I can see Gerrard gleefully accepting this position.
My problem with this appointment is that there will be a huge media circus around Gerrard himself and this will have a negative outcome on our very slim chances of survival.
All the names I’ve seen on this forum are very unlikely candidates as the experienced coach/ manager will not want a very likely relegation blot on their CV. Also the likelihood of being a Championship coach next season will not be appealing either.
In my opinion there is one coach i would make a claim for and that would be Kieran McKenna.
Unlikely to get promotion this season with Ipswich he might want the opportunity again to try his luck at keeping a team up in the Premiership. He will have last seasons experience to go by and he is a young talented coach.
He’ll have a slightly better squad than he had with Ipswich last season and if he has the desire to take it on then there maybe the tiniest of opportunities that we might scrape a survival if other teams like West Ham and Wolves continue their poor start. Although I do feel both of those teams have better players than us and have more chance of avoiding relegation.
Of course there would be a compensation fee that maybe problematic with PSR looming and above all the perhaps far better proposition of going to Celtic maybe a more lucrative option for him.
There’s no hiding of where we are and to think some top coach is going to wing his way to our club and save us from the inevitability is no less than a dream, especially with the quality of players at his disposal.
I will continue this season in hope of a miracle but I’m already adjusting my thoughts to spending next season back into the Championship with a coach that will have no idea of how to get us out of it this time.
Onwards and Downwards.
1.) 10 Nov 2025 11:31:11
Excellent post again OP!
2.) 10 Nov 2025 11:44:40
Recruitment has been woeful OP, how or why did they believe Lewin was right fit is really mind boggling, also it's really worrying that 9'ers felt it was a great window
We are playing woeful football now and our poor recruitment is totally exposed.
3.) 10 Nov 2025 12:01:36
I think a change should give a bounce. Let’s not kid ourselves. This squad will struggle to stay up. Possibly only 40% prem quality.
The transfer window as many said at the time was poor or pathetic. They should k ow that and take some of the blame. Farke is useless. Not one prem standard quality.
So get rid.
One year plus bonuses to new manager. Why not. One city team.
Not sure owners know one year contracts exist though. Happy to throw 3 at dic.
Anyway. It’s Leeds right.
At least Bielsa loved Leeds, players and fans. The rest just money grabbers.
4.) 10 Nov 2025 13:11:52
I disagree with the sentiment that we don't have the quality to stay up. Strongly disagree. We are not worse than Burnley, forest, wolves, west ham and Fulham.
Were playing players out of position, with no game plan, stopped from pushing forward, not allowed to play quick football and keep playing out from the back.
The quality has drained out of our team with the demoralising effect that the above has caused.
Terrible tactics terrible subs, clueless management, no game plan.
Ask yourself this; how would this team perform under Bielsa? The same, worse or better?
If it's better, then the issue isn't our quality, is it?
5.) 10 Nov 2025 13:12:40
The big question for me, why are the players playing so obviously different to the first 6 games.
We looked extremely positive until the loss to Spurs and since then become toothless, half hearted
Yesterday, Brighton and Burnley were abysmal attempts, is it a coaching or player issue
Whatever the answer, a new injection of motivation and mindset is desperately needed.
6.) 10 Nov 2025 14:45:33
More like the teams we played against where we appeared to do well were having a slow start to the season. Where we now and the relegation zone is where our realistic position throughout this season will be.
I think the hope of any old coach will do so long as it isn’t Farke is just a false ideal that everything will be okay and that we’ll start working our way back up the league.
I think they genuinely tried to bring in one or two quality players in the summer, but sadly we couldn’t pay over the odds to secure those deals. I feel there’s no one to blame in my mind, just a fact of how difficult it is now for newly promoted teams in the Premiership.
It will be a huge task to avoid relegation in my opinion.
7.) 10 Nov 2025 14:53:11
Mindset and psychology.
8.) 10 Nov 2025 16:37:43
Never thought about McKenna OP - interesting shout and one that might just work.
I have a feeling that the 49ers' will wait until the next four matches are out of the way then have a look. Unfortunately by then, we could find ourselves firmly in the relegation zone!
9.) 10 Nov 2025 16:58:52
With a goal difference resembling a cricket score ??.
10.) 10 Nov 2025 17:48:15
Man city will be brutal. I wonder if Halaand will skip the match or not go all out against us?
11.) 10 Nov 2025 17:57:45
At least he won't celebrate when he scores - small consolation: (.
12.) 10 Nov 2025 18:56:14
Not a bad shout OP on McKenna, not sure if I fancy him but certainly did well with Ipswich in the championship and from what I remember seemed to go at it in the premier league but lack of quality showed.
13.) 10 Nov 2025 18:29:23
Don’t think it will really matter if a new coach starts tomorrow or in four games time it won’t in my estimation make any difference at all, there are no easy games in this league.
We will often be the whipping boys in away games this season.
Get used to it, with or without Farke it won’t make any difference.
I still retain what I believe that with the players we’ve got, home games are the only games we can hope for any points.
14.) 11 Nov 2025 07:27:40
Totally agree again OP. Realistically embracing the challenge this season always represented.
15.) 11 Nov 2025 09:31:15
Without Farke we not have lost to Burnley or forest.
16.) 11 Nov 2025 17:58:38
You don’t know that Mot and they were both away games. We have won two and draw two at home, Spurs game could of easily been a draw and Bournemouth was within a minute of being a deserved victory.
It will be very interesting to see how we perform against Villa, if Farke can deliver results at home, he may be able to hang on to his job for longer than most of us expect.
17.) 11 Nov 2025 18:28:42
Given we haven’t beaten Forest with the last 6 managers we have had in the EPL, I don’t think that’s much of a claim MOT.
I think it’s hard to see who would replace Farke if he was sacked. We still have the same team, no money, so who is going to risk their reputation. McKenna would be absolute no for me. He was hardly a resounding success in the EPL despite spending a fortune. He seems a bit of a busted flush in the EFL this season.
We need to wise up, play to our meagre strengths and stop trying to be something we’re not. More effort, swap a few out, and grind out results. A change of attitude is likely to be successful than a change of manager imo (for this side of Christmas anyhow) .
18.) 11 Nov 2025 21:01:06
Your all for getting Farke is the best in championship management just look at Norwich for me it’s two late to change now.
04 Nov 2025 07:33:30
There have been several posts already this season stating before games that this is a must win game. For me these kind of statements are not necessary until the math starts to show the un probabilities of survival are imminent. With only being just over quarter way through the season it is not necessary to be overly concerned just yet.
However, it is likely that we will be in a relegation battle this season and in the respect of keeping on track with more or less a point a game, considering our three very tough matches after Forest, I feel we must not lose this particular game.
With West Ham playing Burnley as well, if there are negative results for Burnley and us there will be a bunching up effect looming at the bottom, bar Wolves I expect.
So not losing to Forest will retain that little buffer zone that will hopefully continue for as long as possible.
We need at least West Ham or Forest to continue their struggles as well as Burnley to give us a chance of staying up this season.
So all considering, this game for me is a must not lose one, if we can pick up a point at Forest it will be quite significant for our cause in my opinion.
1.) 04 Nov 2025 08:17:20
All very logical OP. Logical vs emotional is the only way to be this season. It is, and will continue to be a rough ride, whoever is the gaffer, and whatever point in time. A point against a Dyche Forest, who should, on paper, comfortably stay up, would be valuable.
2.) 04 Nov 2025 08:46:15
West ham just thumped Newcastle as opposed to us not.
I agree only in last 5-6 games will it likely be must win scenario.
Let’s hope for a reversal of our recent form and tactics and we start with a confidence boosting 3 this weekend.
8 points from next 5 games should be achievable imo.
3.) 04 Nov 2025 08:58:56
Just saying
The run of fixtures after forest into almost February is scary OP,
Qué Sera Sera is now only mantra for me ?
Speedy recovery pal, and no doubt we will be crossing swords again soon ?.
4.) 04 Nov 2025 10:11:43
So Aus, you are saying we will lose just one of our next 5 games if the possible 8 points is achieved? It's possible but highly unlikely though.
5.) 04 Nov 2025 11:01:04
Over the next four games it is possible to pick up four points which for me would hold us in a positive continuing position which should keep us on target for survival.
Any home game for us we must at all costs get a result, bar the elite teams but if we do it will be a huge bonus.
6.) 04 Nov 2025 11:11:21
the term 'must-win' does get banded about too often these days. a result against Burnley in October doesn't mean we are or are not relegated, but I think people mean if we don't win a certain game it could cause serious damage to our hopes. We lost to Burnley yes but we may pick up an unexpected win elsewhere (e.
g. Citeh or Liverpool) to keep our points total on track. Its not genuinely must win until a loss of 3 points means it is mathematically impossible to stay up but I do get why that term is used even this early in the season.
7.) 04 Nov 2025 12:50:19
Love that word Alf. May.
8.) 04 Nov 2025 12:54:21
I’m saying. It’s possible to get wins v forest vila and points off Chelsea and pool. None of those 4 are consistent and setting the world alight.
Or am I being too positively optimistic?
As Alf says. It may happen.
9.) 04 Nov 2025 12:55:13
Can see both sides of the argument in relation to ‘must win’ games for myself.
Of course only the passage of time will validate as to whether any game was truly a ‘must win’ game, conversely, team momentum is so very important in the EPL especially for a newly promoted side as Sunderland continue to show.
We will never know if the board (all in attendance) for the Wet Sham game at home, would have dispensed with DF had we lost that game, but that would have met the criteria for a must win game in relation to DF future.
Irrespective, someone stating they considered a certain game is a must win game, it’s just their opinion, aren’t we always saying variety is everything on a banter site, and everyone has a right to share their opinion, truly don’t understand why anyone should be bothered about the phrase of must win.
We can’t pick and choose what is valid opinion just because it doesn’t marry with our own personal views, so long as it’s never personal, it should be a free for all.
10.) 04 Nov 2025 13:35:12
Way too optimistic Aus, it could very well be weeks after next game before we take. points again, lack of goals is beginning to show,
11.) 04 Nov 2025 16:50:39
Correct Aus, West Ham thumped Newcastle as opposed to us not, but also we beat West Ham as opposed to Newcastle not. What that tells us is the league is variable, and with a few exceptions anyone can beat anyone.
Agreed, only towards the end of the season can we start talking about "must win" scenarios. Maybe we could class the Forest game as "must not lose" though.
12.) 04 Nov 2025 21:00:28
We can't beat Burnley and scraped a win at wolves and we will magically make points appear against city and Liverpool?
I need to go sit down.
13.) 05 Nov 2025 07:29:20
It's not unheard of, and we've done it before, Mo.
OptimistPesimistt's rumour replies
26 Jun 2025 07:58:26
You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine and I don’t like your opinions of Meslier and Farke.
25 Jun 2025 23:17:58
Yeah right ? is that disrespectful?
You bet your sweet Fanny ass.
15 Apr 2025 22:26:12
I’d rather have pope Francis.
08 Mar 2025 16:06:51
Harrison has always struggled to reach the levels required to be a Premiership player. Just not good enough and I’m sure he will go back to the MLS as it’s unlikely that he wants to play Championship football which is and always has been his level.
Long contracts are given to a lot of players now so to spread out payments and avoid over spending with PSR.
08 Jan 2025 18:17:44
Imagine Meslier playing Champions League with Man United!
OptimistPesimistt's banter replies
29 Nov 2025 10:37:08
Unless a new manager can perform miracles then I don’t see any point in getting rid of Farke in my opinion.
28 Nov 2025 07:38:52
And so they should with the players they’ve got within that squad. I imagine Dyche was secretly punching the air when he was approached for the job.
27 Nov 2025 07:04:31
It’s been confirmed, Farke’s going nowhere soon.
Perhaps can now focus on the games instead.
27 Nov 2025 00:44:16
I feel really upbeat after that post Aus, you're probably spewin’ in yer breakie whilst delivering that post, I’m just thinking what’s the point in living while I’m tucking myself into bed.
Cheers ?.
25 Nov 2025 17:25:18
I understand the pains and frustrations in Class’s opening post but you can’t hide from the fact and reality of where we are.
In reference to Roy Hodgson, he still had very decent quality players to work with and I’m certain Oliver Glasner would not of come to Palace if he had a squad like ours.
A little more understanding should be given to Daniel Farke with what he has to work with.
I have I imagine far less expectations of how this season will pan out for us compared to many others and I am able to appreciate and understand the difficulty of where we are and what is realistically achievable.
None of us want to see Leeds Utd relegated again, but the cold hard truth is that it is very likely as a promoted team.
Hard relentless work as a team is our only hope. A United Leeds and that includes the fans is paramount in our survival this season.
Division and sackings will be our ruin.