10 Mar 2024 14:27:23
I can't think of a more nauseating sight on a sporting football field than John McGinn's ugly, cynical mug.
10 Mar 2024 14:35:57
Great great player though. Have to be honest been a huge admirer of his since his days in the championship
Glad to see spurs beating them though!
10 Mar 2024 14:52:20
John McGinn is a ' Great great player ' said no one ever!
Jeez Berm and his excessive hyperbole ?
A ' great, great player ' in midfield position would be a Johnny Giles a Patrick Vieira etc.
10 Mar 2024 15:13:55
He’s not a great player, by any measure. He’s a cynical thug, who is happy to dish it out, but can never take it. There are those players who you don’t like, but your begrudgingly accept they’re a good player and would like them in your side: McGinn is definitely not one of them.
Great to see him get his just desserts today.
Let’s not forget the filthy cowardly foul on Archie a couple years ago, who was a schoolboy at the time.
10 Mar 2024 15:20:21
Berm You do realize he almost ended Archie's career before it had even begun?
10 Mar 2024 15:47:31
OP It was me who was unsure about Farke not Baz and I am still of the same opinion he may be ok in the championship but as his record stand not much good in the premiership and as you all talk about records on here my opinion stands.
10 Mar 2024 17:19:47
Aaaaand, he’s off….! ???.
10 Mar 2024 17:50:18
Like Cork said, I’ll take a toke of the same.
Or maybe not! ?.
10 Mar 2024 18:35:46
Ani But don't you realize Clough the best manager of Leeds and John "I lost it in the lights, boss" Lukic the greatest ever goalkeeper for Leeds?
10 Mar 2024 19:26:44
McGinn is Michael Brown but a bit better.
10 Mar 2024 19:38:39
Berma gone into hiding?
10 Mar 2024 20:26:11
Baz He calls you Gaz so now we call him Germ. ?.
10 Mar 2024 20:34:35
McGinn is like Michael Brown without the good bits!
10 Mar 2024 20:47:38
'Germ' sounds contagious ?.
10 Mar 2024 20:52:11
OP, Cork, You need a fix really is a bad sign of your times?.
10 Mar 2024 22:53:59
Sorry out at a memorial for my dead mum on Mother’s Day but keep it coming gaz and George. Again not a threat but I’d love both of you to grow half a back bone to meet me.
I will be honest I forgot about the challenge on Archie which was awful
As for no one praising McGinn. James wars prose said he is the best midfelider in the prem at the moment and a huge reason for villas success
I would not go that far but I don’t think anyone can say he is not one of the better midefeilders in the best leauge in the world on current form at the moment.
Not saying we have to like him, but think we have to respect his form.
10 Mar 2024 23:42:53
Mcgynn in my opinion is a good solid prem midfielder. And probably playing the best football of his career at the moment. He is strong quite sharp in pace and he drives villa's midfield on. He is also combative and got sent off today.
A character to hate for opposition fans but if he played in your team he would be a fan favourite.
10 Mar 2024 23:58:48
Well said Ben I fully agree I have always rated and hated him, bit like I would of hated lee bowyer if he wasn’t leeds.
Also George for the snype on my leeds tastes
I know lukic ain’t the gray leeds keeper but he was and will always be my boyhood hero
As for clough no not the vest manager for leeds but the beat manager to ever manage leeds.
Let’s be honest as a person he has won more champions leagues than us in the history of our club… how can we not say he was the best?
11 Mar 2024 00:18:05
Berm So by your metric Ian Rush an LUFC goal scoring legend?
11 Mar 2024 01:52:46
Clough Berma? Give over fella
1) Uber gobby disaster foot in mouth "Don Revie hating", "Leeds United hating" Brian Clough (crucially without the calming influence and brain of Peter Taylor) rampaged into my great club like a fricking bull in a China shop . an absolutely ludicrous calamitous decision by LUFC board. worst ever!
2) Clough overrated imo
In 1979 Forest in European Cup ( Champions League it was NOT Berma) had to beat just 5 teams to win :
Forest had a pretty easy set of rounds except one round
Besides Liverpool, they played against just AEK Athens, Grasshoppers, Koln and Malmo fgs
In 1980 even easier 5 teams including Mickey mouse minnows lesser teams
Osters,
Arges Piteshi,
even Dynamo Berlin and Hamburg were not all that.
So nah to Berma
I rate the GREAT Don Revie and indeed even Peter Taylor far more than Clough.
11 Mar 2024 04:47:49
What Bazadamus said.
11 Mar 2024 07:57:34
What Bermo and Ben said re Mcginn. He would be loved by all of us, if he was ours. It’s wrong to dismiss his abilities on a terrible challenge on Archie 18months ago.
11 Mar 2024 08:35:54
George let me explain it for you…. I said not the vest manager for leeds but the beat manager to manger leeds
So for your arguement Ian rush is not a goalscoring legend for leeds but he is one of the greatest players to play for leeds…. Again look at the titles he has won … more than our club in its history
And if it was easy to win back then… just five games…. Why didn’t we win it back then… it was the same competition
I do t mind both of you being rude and often nasty but I can’t stand stupidity on any level
Clough had it easy back then… when he managed the same time as revie? Honestly must be something in the water
Also George and baz thanks for the sympathy y… you was calling me out all day yesterday, I explain I was at a Mother’s Day memorial for my dead mum (she was 54 when she died) and not a word from you… you just keep piling in….
You are both real assest to this forum and people like you both make this site a far better place.
11 Mar 2024 09:38:02
Yes bright the archie challenge was wrong it's part of the player he is. Archie was on the field of a men's football match tackles and fouls happen. We wouldn't have wanted batty or vinnie to start pulling out of challenges so I don't think mcgynn should either.
Baz if clough and his achievements were that easy or overrated why didn't more teams do it? Why do so many ex clough players still talk about him and talk about his influence. And quite a few are good coaches and managers now.
It was a bad fit him coming to Leeds and that was his big head thinking he could change any team. But it doesn't belittle the work he did with his other sides.
11 Mar 2024 10:10:57
So sorry to hear your mum passed far too soon berm, I certainly understand that kind of pain and loss when losing my own mum when I was 17 and she was only 42.
But you honoured her passing fella, as any good son should and could have done, so please don’t let any ignorance or silliness take you away from what is most important on a day like yesterday.
Emotions get high every year on Mothering Sunday, especially for those of us without their mothers, but take a breather berm, take some time out if necessary for we can only control our own morals and values at any given time.
11 Mar 2024 10:50:42
Sadly I know some Villa fans and they are all very much in align with the fact that McGinn is a huge influence on their team.
I never liked him because of that cynical tackle on Archie but I can understand that he is a top midfielder and is one of the main reasons for Villas recent success in the Premiership.
Revie was a great club manager who should have won more prestigious trophies than he did. Clough was a great manager who won more prestige trophies.
Sadly for Revie his career nosedived when he took on the England job, he wanted to change many things with the structure of England international football but unfortunately for him he had several enemies in the FA who shelved his unwanted ideas.
He was a flop for England but would have Clough been? We’ll never know that answer.
11 Mar 2024 11:00:33
Berm ; my commiserations for the passing of your mum.
11 Mar 2024 11:12:56
Ben ; Leeds were cheated out of it in final of 1975 against Bayern Munich by scandalous ref ( having beaten the likes of Barcelona and Anderlecht in semis and quarters in a far harder level of games than Clough had )
Liveroool won several, Villa won in 1981 . even Aberdeen won Cup winners cup!
Its not rocket science its far harder to WIN Champions League than European Cup . much more games . and significantly many more quality sides involved . much, much higher standard
Forest played the " mighty " Malmo and the " mighty " Hamburg in finals lol .
11 Mar 2024 11:15:51
Yes sorry berm to hear that you lost your mum too soon. We all expect to loose parents at some time but 54 is no age. I hope yesterday was a fitting memorial.
Memories and stories shared. Glasses raised between the tears.
Ignore baz and George they're just being mean!
11 Mar 2024 11:26:09
Great post Ben, football is often opinions and also often logic and your logic is spot on
Class sorry to hear that mate and loved what you said, very true and very wise words thank you mate.
And thank you baz that means a lot.
11 Mar 2024 11:33:18
OP .
Clough without Taylor would have achieved far, far less
And Clough and his very controversial outspoken ways suited to day 2 day club football;
His temperament would never have been suited to the FA as his boss ( neither were fans of each other)
nor the sporadic frequency of international football management
AiMO.
11 Mar 2024 13:11:51
OP Don wasn't a flop, more mediocre for ???????. Had a win % of 48. Would have been better had he not been disliked as much.
11 Mar 2024 13:15:25
Berm My condolences on the passing of your mum.
11 Mar 2024 14:36:24
Absolutely George
. a 48% win rate can not be deemed a 'flop'
Ben I am guessing that you ( and Berm) may not have seen the 1979 and 1980 European Cup finals. have a watch. both were underwhelming in quality.
11 Mar 2024 15:48:20
Baz I have seen at least one of the finals I think the 1980. I think with clough it wasn't just the euro campaigns but the teams he built with forest nd Derby. Done with less money or with young or unfancied players. But I agree his partnership with Taylor was probably key to his success but that doesn't diminish his effect on his players.
It would appear revie and clough made poor choices of employ at that point.
11 Mar 2024 16:31:27
Clough definitely spent ( lots of ) money at Forest Ben . he broke the British transfer record signing Trevor Francis from Brum
First £1 million pound player.
11 Mar 2024 16:42:46
I also saw the cup finals and no doubt we was cheated against Byern.
As myself and Ben were not part of that age I think we are able to be less baised.
No doubt clough needed Taylor, but as Ben said clough built up both derby and forest both of which are amazing achievements.
My problem with revie while he was great and of course I love him… however I think he should of won far more than he did…. If you put circumstances next to each other I think clough winning more with less fancied derby and forest must be seen better than reive winning less with one of the greatest teams ever assembled… leeds were that good so why did we win so little?
Of course that said nothing brings me more joy than watching that team on video just amazing to watch… but did they win enough? I think you have to say no.
Also as non-biased every one I spoke about don as England manager have said he was awful… I think his England career is not looked on faverably outside of leeds… which I think could be rose tinted glasses or maybe everyone outside of leeds are harsh… which could also be the case.
11 Mar 2024 17:05:23
Doesn’t matter what the format of a tournament was/ is. Only one team can win it each year.
11 Mar 2024 23:52:46
It's always the same some jobs are just not the right fit. Dirty leeds manager at England. Clough who showed his distaste for revies tactics at Leeds. Chelsea legend wise as Leeds manager.
Gary neville managing anywhere.
I know there are more bad fits.
12 Mar 2024 06:53:35
George there’s no hiding the fact that Revie was not a good fit for the England job and his failure is well documented. He was an out and out club manager dealing with the day to day of national league football.
There’s no shame in it, he was highly successful at Leeds and a legend of the club.