23 Mar 2024 08:12:05
I see the new England kit is causing a bit of a stink.
Because a very small cross on the collar is blue and purple.
Joey Barton is blaming woke lesbians for it!
Really? Is this that important?
We don't even celebrate St George's day.
Team gb have a blue union jack on their team strip and no one blinks an eye.
Nike change a two inch cross on the collar of the England shirt and it makes the front page and politicians are commenting on it.
My mind is very boggled!
23 Mar 2024 08:50:52
It’s a classic case of the media making news instead of reporting news of any relevance. Poking at the public with stick to get a reaction and of course it works.
23 Mar 2024 09:22:40
I don’t think it is worth kicking up a stink about however I wouldn’t buy the kit. Our country’s flag is red and white
I’d be the same is they changed the leeds badge or colours. I don’t mind away kits But as a traditionalist I don’t like it. I’m not offended by it just not my personal choice.
23 Mar 2024 09:30:31
I just read a good comment on this.
"It is not the fact Nike have slightly changed the colour of the st George's Cross that is disgusting or offensive it is the fact they are charging football fans £125 for the shirts. "
Some of the comments on social media are bonkers.
23 Mar 2024 09:49:41
Agee Ben, that certain sectors will always monopolise any story to champion their own cause. It doesn’t affect me as I’m more upset with our own FA championing that well worn chestnut that pay £125.00! For a shirt you’ll be helping grass roots football…. really….
I do believe in the obvious irony that the most upset sector of supporters will normally be the biggest purchasers of these kits aside from hard pressed parents, so it may back fire on the FA, Nike in poor sales.
However, my brother lives in Ireland and on one of their biggest radio phone-in shows >90% thought it was wrong to change the colour on the cross of St George and said there would be uproar if Ireland kit was changed in any shape or form.
Like on here, I respect people’s rights to having different opinions and whilst I genuinely do not understand the level of upset, I think it’s more important that we remain a country that has free speech a myriad of different views or opinions, so yes I don’t understand it, but I respect their right to be offended if they are.
23 Mar 2024 09:54:50
Personal choice i personal choice berm and nothing wrong that.
I suppose the shirt designer has to do something to justify the price and the change of shirt.
It must be a tough job to design a different England first kit top.
It is basically a white shirt with a bit of red and bit of blue on it.
How do you radically change something while keeping it the same.
If the Internet warriors had spent 125 quid on a new shirt exactly like the previous one they would be in melt down. I know it all money making and I won't buy one because I don't want to waste my money.
23 Mar 2024 10:08:32
Yes class I was just thinking about the Irish or lots of other countries that have a strong bond or identity with their flag.
But we don't celebrate St George's day and most of the upset is coming from people who only see a St George's flag when England are playing.
Sorry to get political but if we hadn't had brexit and 14 years of the government demonising anything foreign in my opinion no one would have noticed.
Umbro had a kit in 2010 with coloured crosses on it did it cause this fuss?
23 Mar 2024 10:21:14
I wouldn’t buy the shirt regardless, but I can see why the designer thought they could change the colours, whereas they couldn’t/ wouldn’t for almost any other flag/ country.
If you’re one of the many three vertical (eg Ireland, Italy, France, Belgium, Romania etc) or horizontal (Netherlands, Hungary, Russia, Luxembourg, Germany etc) and you changed any colours there’s then a question of which country was it even in the first place, so you can’t change colours (but maybe could do an effect to distort the flag) .
With the George’s cross it is pretty distinctive to the English flag (most other cross flags are off centre etc) , so you could argue the shape and not the colour is the distinctive part, so altering the colours is different.
23 Mar 2024 10:33:13
Well Brockley if the Nike designer had done this with the Russian flag he would be supping polonium tea by now!
23 Mar 2024 11:05:48
Thé design on flags has been done many times to many different countries flags. Nike are I’m sure very happy about the attention that it’s creating as it will without doubt super boost the sales of England shirts. I wouldn’t be surprised if the biggest and fastest selling England shirt in its history.
That’s media hype for you, good or bad.
23 Mar 2024 11:43:53
I agree the most offensive thing is the price by a mile or by about 125 quid!
I think most countries are not as open, modern, accepting, liberal what ever word you want to use as England/ uk and this is why they chose us. Let’s be honest this was a big decision they didn’t make likely
Imagine the Brazil flag being changed from its colours or any other country.
I’m not offended by it but I don’t personally like it and would avoid. Bit like our red kit a few seasons back and our blue is the colour media line for recent blue kit.
I think England has been shamed for trying to stick to roots when other countries are allowed… either way for me to buy a kit for 125 quid it would have to be made out of 24 carat gold!
Funny you say St. George’s day is not a think. In south London is it still celebrated and a lot of flags fly and events happen on this day.
I think sales will be fine as more will buy it as wile than will boy cot it as woke!
I think it’s mental how political it has got though… that said our red kit was a liberty and I would of happiest kicked the designer square in the nuts for doing it!
23 Mar 2024 12:54:42
Don’t change colour of flag or kit emblems. It’s a business not airy fairy politics.
Jeez. Don’t give a stuff about anything or anybody else.
Keep Leeds as football business.
23 Mar 2024 12:57:29
The prevalent colours of the England kit has always been red white and blue as in the three lions badge.
The st George's Cross on the kit only started to appear from the 90s. It has appeared in lots of different shapes and sizes since.
It was funny the French government has changed the blue in there flag and no noticed.
It's just nationalist nonsense in my opinion.
23 Mar 2024 13:19:59
Berm why on earth was the England red kit a few seasons back ( 2022) a "liberty"
The 2022 shirt looked pretty standard imo
It looks similar to red England shirts of 1989 and 1990 .
My least fave England red shirt is 1998
My fave is England ICONIC and SUCCESSFUL winning World Cup RED shirt 1966.
England have done nowt in white shirt sadly.
23 Mar 2024 13:21:33
I agree with you Ben, but again if it is “nationalism” those people should not be derided, criticised for having their own beliefs.
We have seen on this site time and time again, if one opinion is purported to be the only valid voice, it gets boring and monotonous very quickly.
It was only last year that our local Remembrance Day memorial had all the veterans poppy crosses and flags (Union Jack and St George) destroyed.
The colour change genuinely doesn’t bother me, but if I had served in the armed forces I might feel very differently cancel culture and devisive politics is a very slippery slope, and I do not understand why nationalists are all generally stereotyped as bigots as opposed to individuals who are extremely proud and protective of their country.
I believe that’s why it resonates so strongly for others?
And we are so fortunate to live where we live, but true freedom means I can still respect another persons right to fervently disagree with my own views, Mrs Class is the perfect example.
23 Mar 2024 14:38:41
Baz do you dilberatly misread my posts to jump on me or just find things hard to understand?
Any red England kit is perfectly fine with me (won’t buy it because it’s arsenal Liverpool and ****) but I don’t mind.
I said the red leeds kit… and it was red … was a liberaty
So again baz you wrong there mate… apology incoming by any chance?
23 Mar 2024 14:46:11
I understand you completely class. The point I tried to put across is that a lot of the keyboard warriors that are so outraged at this only practice this nationalism when a tournament comes round. The fact that the colours used were influenced by the colours of the 66 training kit not any wild thing like rainbows or something random.
I fully respect the people who celebrate nationalism all the time but it feels around football nationalism is wrapped up in xenophobia and hooliganism.
In 66 the union flag was more prevalent and the cross only quite recently started being used on the kit.
As for me I could give a monkeys what colour they made the cross. I do not need an archaic symbol especially one that was adopted for religious reasons to show me where I from.
The money grabbing of the fa in the price of the shirt is of far more pertinent to me.
23 Mar 2024 14:54:29
Berm I think bazs post was in error as you said "our" whilst talking about England kit. I read it as you didn't like a red England kit. Not that the leeds red kit was wrong.
23 Mar 2024 15:08:32
Berm nope no mention of the word ' Leeds' or ' Leeds red kit ' by you.
The thread and your post is about England shirt . you did mention ' our red shirt ' but as you are English so' English red shirt '
Anyways you clarified your vagueness . well done ?.
23 Mar 2024 15:12:11
Indeed Ben 100% spot on.
But don't forget to apologise to Berm ?.
23 Mar 2024 15:41:50
Ben, the price was going to be my comment too. It’s daylight robbery, and a filthy, disgusting, disgrace. Dunno the junior prices, but I’ll warrant they’re extortionate too! Money grabbing bar stewards, all of ‘em!
23 Mar 2024 16:25:49
Sorry for confusion
Our… always means leeds… our red kit few seasons ago was a liberty but can see the confusion
Trust baz to jump on it.
23 Mar 2024 22:00:54
I bought 3 of the purple away tops. 1 for me and 2 for my sprogs. Only cost me about £45 direct from a Chinese web based procurement resource.
Don't give 2 hoots about a small simple cross on the back of the collar.
23 Mar 2024 23:33:36
I understand this issue all too well. Many people are cross with George. ?.
24 Mar 2024 00:23:30
How do you make a George Cross?
24 Mar 2024 07:56:27
Ben, that is very easy, if you’re me! ???.