Leeds banter 4

24 Nov 2025 03:06:30
Tough going and too many players not good enough and then add FARKE to that and spells trouble.
We go ahead again but don’t look like not letting teams back in, unfortunately we are weak at the back, Rodon is class but seems neither BJ or Struijk good enough, not sure if Bournauw any good but obviously DF doesn’t rate him.
WHAT the answer, do we push AMPS back with Rodon, feel we are set up wrong, shouldn’t play 3 holding/ defensive at home, can understand away but too negative, but do that and get the lead but they still don’t shut up and control MF.


Then the whole constantly starting BA, he is not good enough at this level, works hard but can’t create, can’t stand up and constantly gives ball away.
Should’ve let DF go through international break, need a change now and time with new man to work with squad and then decide what needed in January, may have to sell but need a striker and CMF otherwise we down.

24 Nov 2025 05:27:12
It’s a mess top to bottom.
I can’t see a way to turn things round.
I mean obviously Farke has to go but most of the players aren’t good enough either. Unless new manager can get them punching above their weight. We are in the poo.
I can’t even read media posts about Farke cause he annoys me so much. Unbelievably clueless in every aspect of his job. Been saying since last season amps not good enough.

Add struik, Bijol, ba, Okafor, stach, long, gnonto, James, namecheck, Harrison, dcl and Perri to that too.
I thought the first half was watchable and semi decent effort but then go and throw it away.
How many games have been a got to lose before the owners take their hands out their pockets and point to the door. I mean there’s being patient and giving the manager a crack and there’s pure stupidity.

24 Nov 2025 07:25:53
Well guys I think if you compare the managers yesterday it shows all DFs faults. Villa struggling to make an impact so emery acts at half time, 2 subs, turns the game. DF waits til the 71st minute to put a proper winger on who should have started and leaves Bloody Awful on the pitch. He also hooks his sub Ao who was one of the best players on the pitch. Again going with the same plan in the second half despite the dynamics changing, again leaving it far too late.

The worrying thing is this is not a new development, it seems to be his default setting, the world and its wife could see what was happening but no attempt to change things up when it could have made a real difference. We are now right up pickle Street, so now below the ridiculous anyway point per game stupid philosophy and getting nice an cosy in the relegation zone.

24 Nov 2025 07:47:48
Let's focus on the quality of the players first. One of the eds pointed out correctly that we only actually have 3-4 PL level players. With that in mind, no other manager is going to get a better tune out of that! They performed admirably for 50 mins in H1 yesterday, but lost steam.


How much does biffing Farke cost us? How much will that limit our Jan funds? Does the new gaffer get anymore than a 3 point upturn from any mythical bounce? Which is most important; ditching farke, or improving the playing staff?

24 Nov 2025 09:34:39
Bit of a cop out that imo Brighty, all along it wasn't even constructive to question Farke and his methods, now that we all accepted that is correct,

The narrative has moved tours actually the players making Farke look bad


The state we are in doesn't surprise me in slightest, Play Lewin, Play Baracus, Play Roadrunner and you get what you deserve more often than not

Nothing, Barr a small miracle, it's Champo football again next Seez.

24 Nov 2025 09:35:26
Who are the 3 or 4 players Brighty?

24 Nov 2025 16:23:13
1. Never said the players are making Farke look bad.
2. Bogle, Rodon, Gabby potentially, and Ao potentially. Add Gnonto to that if he stays injury free.

{Ed025's Note - Bogle, Longstaff and Rodon for me, with Struijk a possibility, i have not watched all of the Leeds games in full but what i have seen they are the players i would build my team around, just my opinion of course..

24 Nov 2025 22:05:59
You said to focus. on quality of players we have

Then said no other manager will do better with them

So we are in relegation zone, So whose responsible for that? Your post lays that at players or have I missed something?

Farkes a woeful Prem manager Brighty, no getting away from that now.

25 Nov 2025 07:51:06
Chris. You insinuated that I was defending Farke by blaming the players. That's not the case.
Ill ask you a question now, instead of falling back to tit-for-tat snidey bollox.
Who is going to get more from this squad? Who replaces farke? And be realistic.


And don't give it "that's not my job". Who will come, and who will get this squad to deliver better performances than Sundays first 45 mins AND keep us in the PL, with the limitations we face on spending?

25 Nov 2025 08:10:13
You answered your own question
I am a paid floor layer, sometimes issues arise and things go wrong, even though an architect or engineer criticise the floor, only I am the person tasked with fixing it

Same goes here "" for stats and technology "" procurement team, there zee people on huge coin to analyse the data CORRECTLY not throw up Lewins name and believe he was somehow going to have a road to Damascus moment .

We are seemingly. a professional outfit being ran like a 2 bob Sunday league outfit,
Albeit until we are being asked £7.50 for a bevvy on match day, and nigh on £100 for a shirt

Suddenly we become. very professional then

There's always a better option out there.

25 Nov 2025 07:54:09
A valid outside opinion Ed, and a welcome one. I'm still torn on longstaff, as clearly are others, who were praising him a few weeks ago, but now openly slate him as gash! Some people do forget what they've said in recent past, hope it disappears, then give it the big Felipe Felope!
At least Aus has been consistent.

{Ed025's Note - for me Longstaff has not got much around him Brighty but brings energy and experience and you really need that, but its no use him laying the ball off to players like Amps who will sell him down the river and lose the ball because he needs help in there, by the way its easy to be consistent when all you post is negativity mate, he might as well just copy and paste "get rid of Farke"..

25 Nov 2025 13:20:02
😂😂😂.

25 Nov 2025 11:08:48
Agree Ed, Longstaff was one of our better acquisitions in the summer, his work rate is second to none. He does need better support though and you’re right, Ampadu looks a million miles off from being a Premiership quality player, Tanaka would be the ideal player in Amps place but I have a feeling Ao is struggling to adapt to the demands of the Premiership and is suffering like some other players of being too eager to impress and not letting his natural game be his guide.


I think Farke had to take him off against Villa as the ref told the bench he was heading for a red card.

23 Nov 2025 23:46:21
Everything has been said about the game and the performance. My criticism is of the awful recruitment that the Club made in the Summer window. Second rate players who are nowhere near good enough. Underwood, Evans and Co should hang their heads in shame.

24 Nov 2025 02:08:54
Yes mate. Woeful purchases. Way below prem standard. A total waste of 100 mill.

24 Nov 2025 06:51:54
100 Mil does not buy you a ready made Premiership team and sacking Farke won’t change anything in my opinion.
It is what it is and has always been, demanding better is not realistic but is a never ending frustration for us fans.
Hope is all we’ve got and there’s no magic wand to make everything better than it is.

Even if we survive this season by the skin of our teeth it will still be be a hard slog to stay up next season, sustainability in the Premiership will be very difficult at best, but always possible.

We can’t rely on quality players because we don’t possess any, we can only hope we have a hard working team who will not accept relegation and a coach that will keep those players motivated and believe they can survive until the last game of the season.

Anything other than that is just a fanciful dream in my opinion and I’m very sorry to say that because it is tough to accept.

24 Nov 2025 07:10:34
We won’t know if a new manager will be better or worse or the performances improve or not until we try.
It’s madness continuing on this path. Losing game after game.
You are right. It’s always going to be a hard slog but the 100 mill was spent badly in my opinion. Considering how much research they supposedly do. I mean surely they could see Perri limitations and that he is no better than Darlow.


I’m not sure if people are making too much of the quality of prem anyway. Look at villa. 4th. We shoulda beat them. They were average at best.
Apart from Arsenal we have been in every game. Just not got the killer instinct and tactics confusing us and the players.

24 Nov 2025 07:50:05
You can only spend what you've got!
And fixed amounts only buy a certain level of player! Is it too complicated?

24 Nov 2025 08:40:26
Correct Aus, Villa were nothing special.

24 Nov 2025 09:06:16
It’s too complicated for them. First signing shoulda been am. Second a striker. And I mean one that scores regularly. Third a decent goalkeeper. Not the word decent. Fourth a cd and fifth a lb. The rest are full ins.

We didn’t need 2 cb. We got amps. We didn’t need two mf we got ao and gruev who are both better than what we got. And we didn’t really need okafar if we’d bought solo and kept largie. It’s really simple.

24 Nov 2025 09:49:02
I guess you can say let’s try another coach and I imagine there’s enough Leeds fans who would want that now. I just feel Farke knows this team better than anyone and if it’s about survival in this league, then I think our best chance is with him.
However, due to the inevitable discontent from sections of the fans on match days, i can see that it will force the owners into panic desperation mode and sack Farke, and the ensuing big roll of the dice commences.

The season is a marathon and not a sprint and I feel there is a chance he could achieve survival.
As much as it pains me to say it, he also would be the best candidate to get us back up if we were to be relegated.
You can’t hide behind the reality of where we are as a football club, no matter how unhappy us fans may feel.

{Ed025's Note - some very good points there OP..

24 Nov 2025 10:04:13
You are correct OP that Farke would most likely get us back up after relegation but you failed to mention that he would bring us straight back again, again!
Let’s keep Daniel and become a perennial yo-yo club!

24 Nov 2025 10:44:12
Panic opti. Desperation. At what game of a season does panic no longer exist for you?

24 Nov 2025 10:45:27
He might make it this season Cork, nobody can say for sure. It’s the gamble the owners have to take, and make no mistake any decision they make whichever way, will be a gamble.
For me and the way I see things, Farke is our best chance of survival in this league, who knows, third time might be lucky for him as a coach, I think he’ll want to succeed this time, I’m pretty sure he will give everything he’s got.

24 Nov 2025 12:01:46
I just don’t get your mindset at all opti. Not saying you’re wrong. Just don’t know how anybody of sane body and mind can post that.
Maybe it’s me.
How on earth can he be our best chance? We are in the bottom 3.

Come season end we are down in the bottom 3. What we got 3 points from 12 or 15. Forget now.
IMO Your post defies logic.

24 Nov 2025 13:31:46
Aus my post doesn’t defy logic at all, you can only make a judgment of Farke for what he has done so far and at this moment in time we are only one goal difference from being out of the relegation zone.
So the way I see it is, so long as we are just in touch of getting out of the relegation zone, we will always have a chance of getting out of it.

Being cut adrift like the teams last season, they literally had little to no chance because they were so far behind.
It’s not easy to judge atmo but I sense it’s going to be a tussle between West Ham and us who gets to stay up, it’s possible Sunderland could also be in that mix as well.
A point a game on average is still the target, if we can achieve that then there’s a chance of staying up.
Switching coaches for me is not the answer to survival this season.
Stay with what we’ve got, be committed, work 110% and maybe, just maybe, we can survive to see another another season in the Premiership.
For me that is the only logic.

24 Nov 2025 16:25:03
Think Brentford will still join the mix too, as well as Sunderland.

25 Nov 2025 07:56:58
Aus. If we'd have followed your suggested signing structure, you'd have just been complaing about not strengthening from the back first. Most in here agreed pre season that it was a sensible approach at the time.

23 Nov 2025 22:36:23
So far,
Perri dodgy especially with his feet
Gabby good going forward but very suspect defending.
Bijol was meant to be our colossus.
DCL?
Nunchucks works hard.
The Geordie geezer can’t play football.
Okafor, deary me.
As for the other four players we signed I literally can’t think who they are.
Sack DF? Definitely sack thr recruitment team with him.

24 Nov 2025 04:00:14
That pretty much sums up my feelings 100% Corkey, they should be given the boot, whatever else happens. The recruitment needs a complete overhaul.

24 Nov 2025 15:31:35
When our CEO thinks we had a good window and expects us to be doing little if any business in January, it shows what a deluded world they are operating in.

23 Nov 2025 22:18:11
Three points dropped today.
Villa were so bad the points were there for the taking.
But as usual zero points.
I can’t quite work out was it the abysmal transfer window or DF not having a clue why we keep dropping points from good positions?
One last point.

What is the point of Ampadu? Might as well play with three CBs as he literally sits right in front of the CBs and offers nothing. A captain who offers nothing?
I read somewhere we’ve only scored TWO second half goals this season. It doesn’t take a magician to work out why.

23 Nov 2025 22:27:14
Farke not having a clue.

When the commentators say make changes, the crowd chant makes changes and a random runs into the dug out to shout "make some f***ING subs" maybe he should make some subs.

We could have kept pressing if we had brought Gnonto, James and DCL on earlier and swapped GG with JJ because he was knackered.

Ask yourself this, swap Farke with any other manager (Bielsa is cheating) do we win that match?

Manager is the issue. Simples.

24 Nov 2025 07:58:24
Lots of points i personally agree with their Corkey! More points that I totally disagree with their Mo, sorry.
My gut is that it's playing staff that is the biggest issue. The subs achieved a big fat nul point! James looked rustier than a 70's chopper left to the elements for 55 years.

Couldn't beat a man any better that Jake Paul can beat someone his own age.
They have game changing players, we do not.
That aside, I'd sack Farke, if there was no compo, just for subbing AO, who should now start.

23 Nov 2025 21:08:27
So 3 more defeats to go until Farke is relieved of his duties unfortunately as the narrow home loss will still not wake our owners up . even a new half decent tactically competent manager like Gary O'Neil already installed over the international break instead of going through this torture would have got Leeds a win today imo and who knows a point or two in the next 3 games but unfortunately our owners are incapable it seems of urgently appointing a new pro active coach so we wait for the inevitable to happen and then I expect it will be Jesse Marsch 2.0 to take over.

23 Nov 2025 21:23:19
To be fair Cheshire, my late nan could have installed the belief and tactics to have beaten Villa today.

{Ed025's Note - she must have been some woman Leeroy..

24 Nov 2025 11:54:17
She certainly was Ed.

23 Nov 2025 19:56:53
How is it after halftime with DF the team is a shadow of the team in the first half?

{Ed025's Note - because he asks for high intensity from the start AGM and that is not sustainable over 90+minutes mate, the better teams will pass it around a lot more especially early on to conserve energy then up the tempo when needed as the opponent tires, his plan seems to be to get a lead then hang on for dear life..

23 Nov 2025 20:45:29
I understand that Ed, so why not make changes earlier? I know squad depth is poor, but need to try something or we are done.

{Ed025's Note - yeah i think the substitutions could be earlier AGM, but Willy is only just getting over a hernia operation and although DJ seems to make an immediate impact his final ball is usually woeful mate, the guys who are on the bench are there for a reason and im sure DF sees more of them than us and makes an informed decision on who can contribute what, now whether anyone else can do better with this squad i dont know...we may soon find out if results dont improve..

23 Nov 2025 21:10:30
Do not believe our team are the fittest team in this league by far, although agree with Ed025’s earlier posts about the quality of our current squad.

However, Farke seldom if ever makes proactive subs (Emery made two at half time, which improved them) and yes we did give a lot first half, but you’re allowed five substitutions in the epl and we seldom if ever use five and hardly ever proactively, and nearly always after 70 mins or chasing the game in last five minutes.

Throw in repeatedly picking BA, over better options.

I believe Daniel has found his level does not exceed the championship, teams who started out with no more money than ourselves, Palace, Bournemouth prioritised and secured the one main signing above all others……the coach.

People often say a changing the coach would not improve this group of players, if this is true how many believe Glasner, Iraola (both relatively unknown and zero epl experience) could do better than Daniel currently is?

Is it therefore impossible that there might not be a better option out there, we’re not remaining in this league with Daniel and his refusal to change his methods. imo.

{Ed025's Note - im sure there is better out there CO92, the problem is that with this current squad and what seems very frugal owners would anyone of note want to take the job on and put their career on the line mate?, yes Leeds are a big club with great history but myself i feel it would be more an up and coming championship manager or maybe a foreign unknown who would be the ones who would jump at the chance...but its a gamble, one that may have to be taken though..

24 Nov 2025 08:03:16
Very level headed, logical and accurate assessments there from Mr25 imo.
(Other opinions are equally valid, but you may put at risk your property ownership should you fail to amend them. )

23 Nov 2025 17:22:36
Go back far enough on this forum and you will see regular posters here complaining about no subs at HT, no change of tactics and late 70 min subs costing us points.

And yet here we are.

Nothing needs to be said anymore.

23 Nov 2025 20:19:05
Mny were actually saying similar about Marcelo Bielsa?

24 Nov 2025 08:04:47
Farke not the only gaffer to have that possible flaw, just to back Leodis up!

23 Nov 2025 16:40:57
Nmecha twice the player dcl is why take him off, clock ticking for df.

23 Nov 2025 20:46:45
Because he's brittle and hasn't played much, protect him so he can keep getting better i'd say.

24 Nov 2025 08:05:49
Erm, knackered! Plus his touch goes goes further away from him than I travel for a holiday?

23 Nov 2025 16:12:27
And once again, they come out of that dressing room and the energy, will and desire are gone - how can you just give it up .

And his first decision is in the 71st minute and he replaces AO who has run his socks off, and leaves BA on

Just not good enough.

23 Nov 2025 16:08:34
Improved performance today, but we need something to change. Sad to say, the only thing we can change is the manager. It needs to be done now, not when it’s too late.

23 Nov 2025 17:21:39
That's the only thing that needs to change.

24 Nov 2025 08:07:38
A new manager will only have the same, all too limited resources for this level tho Mo. We still have a scrap to stay up, but there's still a chance that it can be done.