Leeds banter 6

29 Sep 2026 20:09:02
Bahoya on the scoresheet for France U21s! Good news!

29 Sep 2026 21:42:49
.and Elvedi on target for Switzerland against Scotland.

30 Sep 2026 00:52:02
And Gary scored yesterday too.

29 Sep 2026 07:39:19
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29 Sep 2026 14:04:19
I don't think points deductions, however substantial, address the key issue. Their conduct over that period demonstrated systematic contempt for the rules that they agreed to be governed by. The first thing that must happen is that they be given a substantial fine (say £100M) and immediately expelled from the Premier League. After that they can then apply to be admitted to the EFL, but to minimise the impact on other teams must have to start again in League 2.

Finally, and most importantly, in view of the level of contempt to the PL demonstrated by the current owners, they should be told that in future they will no longer be permitted to own a Premier League club - if the EFL rules that they pass it's owners and directors test that is up to them. Other issues such as compensation claims from other PL clubs could be dealt with separately, and a European ban would have to be decided by UEFA.

29 Sep 2026 14:15:50
You raise some interesting scenarios there JR, as does Optimum Shots. I personally would hit them with demotion to a lower league and I do agree with your suggestion of banning their owners from taking charge of any football club in this country.

I fear that no matter what punishments are issued, they are not going to satisfy everyone.

Whatever happens it's such a desperately sad affair.

29 Sep 2026 14:24:36
It's a good read from the Everton poster but I feel his suggestions re the scale and frequency of points deductions for Citeh possibly a tad unlikely

Bang on JR.

For me thw two most important things to occur are :

1) First and foremost, the current owners of Citeh must be gone and barred from ever owning a Premier League football club.

2) Secondly, Citeh must be stripped of all trophies Citeh accumulated during their era of transgressions and beyond.

29 Sep 2026 14:26:44
I think this is all wish list chaps. Especially from due to be relegated spurs. It's already been stated that due to Burnley scenario sanctions will be forwardedly motivated. Leaving clubs to speculate and spend own lawyers money on comp.
Realistically. I reckon. Expel and acceptance into champ. 100 mill fine. And 4 transfer in embargo's.

29 Sep 2026 16:39:50
Aus, if expelled from the PL, their "destination" would have to be decided by the EFL, not the Premier League, and I'd wager current Champo teams would not be keen on them going there and very likely mopping up one of the available promotion slots thus leaving only two for the rest to fight over, hence my suggestion they start in League 2.

That's also why I think a simple (albeit large) points deduction and demotion to the Champo is not a good idea, then they' be back in 12 months, polished up new as if nothing ever happened.
I think change of ownership before they can ever be allowed back into the Pl is absolutely essential.

29 Sep 2026 17:52:30
And relegated to League 2 or the National League Baz.

29 Sep 2026 18:20:22
Indeed Feath.National League would be apt.

29 Sep 2026 20:51:22
I can not see this going the way you predicted for me the PL will want to put this to bed very quickly to stop all the the problem it could bring for years to come, I see a fine some point take away.

29 Sep 2026 19:33:44
As one of the Eds said the other day, the EFL don't have to let them in, and if they do can decide which division they start back in. If they are expelled from the PL, it will create a new "vacancy" in the footy heirarchy which is best filled at the bottom as happened with Glasgow Rangers.

If their application were refused by the EFL, then the National League would be their next best bet - or liquidation.🤣😂🤣😂.

29 Sep 2026 21:58:49
North West Counties and a derby against Maine Road FC! 🤣.

29 Sep 2026 22:34:12
JR was the only one to mention it but, if the punishment is too punitive then the spectre of Liquidation becomes more tempting? Also if they upset the Arab nature then all they will want in some way, anyway, is revenge. They may leave the Prem lobbing a few grenades.

28 Sep 2026
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29 Sep 2026 07:50:40
Nice one Cfeath one day one day soon.

29 Sep 2026 08:54:11
I like the shirt.

29 Sep 2026 13:22:37
Please Feath, let it be true:) ) )

29 Sep 2026 14:05:46
If only.🙂.

29 Sep 2026 14:31:14
Indeed if only.

Haaland is only 26, on whopping 500K plus a week.

Unlikely he ever joins Leeds United, regardless if he has a soft spot for us.but if he were to.it wouldnt be until at leaat 7 seasons imo.

29 Sep 2026 20:16:59
He could come as head coach in 2040.😀.

29 Sep 2026 20:47:59
That's actually more likely JR.

29 Sep 2026 22:00:06
Player Coach even at 40 JR!

28 Sep 2026 19:34:54
I've said before & I'll say it again Paul Robinson is a w***** whether that's palatable to Eds or anyone on the Leeds banter site.

28 Sep 2026 20:43:45
He's not had many good words to say about his former club since he entered his career in punditry, why ? I have no idea.

Always said he had fond memories of being at Leeds United.
The man needs to get over his issues whatever they are, as a Leeds fan, for me he leaves a brown skid mark in his Leeds United legacy.

29 Sep 2026 07:58:21
As a pundit he has rarely had a good word for LUFC.

28 Sep 2026 07:39:10
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27 Sep 2026 09:23:52
If you could be bothered with watching the England game last night at least you witnessed a cracking game of football.

Trafford did himself no harm but was appallingly let down by awful defending.

DCL only got a few minutes after coming on for Kane - and herein lies England's biggest problem, Harry Kane!

I know this isn't going to be popular with everyone but whilst he remains in that starting X1 England will never win anything.

Don't get me wrong, a club level he's lethal, against Latvia, Lithuania and Wales he's brilliant.

But the moment he's up against the likes of Spain or France, and especially in the latter stages of a big tournament, he disappears!

You could argue that he scored last night - questionable! That header may well have hit the post until Sideshow Bob deflected it. Not only did he miss yet another penalty for England he also had a brilliant opportunity to play through a totally unmarked Anthony Gordon but chose to shoot himself and miss.

The Anthony Gordon goal was a thing of beauty, tearing the world champions to pieces with a few slick passes - none of which Kane had a hand in.

I'm sorry Harry, you've done your bit for England but it's time to look to the future with a far quicker and more fluid forward line.

And also time for Trafford to step up and replace and less than secure Pickford between the sticks.

There we go, I feel a lot better for saying that now:) ) )

27 Sep 2026 10:04:37
Never rated Kane regardless of his success. Thats why he went to Germany. Without son feeding him gimmees not good enough for prem.

27 Sep 2026 11:20:39
I noted two points regarding our players.
1 - Trafford did not dilly dally on the ball like we've seen him do occasionally in PL games, and his distribution was by and large quite good. He was totally blameless for goals 1 and 2, both of which came from errors by Man City players, I wonder if they were in quite the right state of mind for such a big game after recent events. It would be very hard to blame for goal 3, but he may think he could have stopped it if he'd been a fraction quicker off his line, but that's being very picky.
2 - DCL didn't have any real scoring opportunities, but I did see he was always finding the right positions, and only needed a good final ball from a teammate.

England were rocked a bit by the early 1st Spanish goal, but after that it was a close contest, and on another day the result could have been different.

27 Sep 2026 12:52:42
Never rated Harry Kane ?

Harry Kane's pro career with England, Spuds and Bayern Munich

537 matches 400 goals

Would have loved him at Leeds.

27 Sep 2026 12:58:54
Cleggy.Harry's more than done his bit. he is England's record scorer.

a record that is extremely unlikely to ever be beaten.

Harry is 33, not getting any younger and he himself at end of World Cup suggested this was his last WC

So yes a pacy, younger genuine goalscoring striker to replace Harry the Great is preferable at some point.

But whom ?

England dont exactly have a plethora of them ; if any genuinely at all!

27 Sep 2026 13:10:26
To be honest, I have Kane as possibly the best CF in the world, definitely one of them.
I think at an England level, we would have struggled to get anywhere in any tournament because I don't think we have had any decent CF's in England (until now DCL is bang on form) .
However, I do agree that Kane can also be a huge problem, when he drops deep, he wipes away any positivity and attacking threat, and he does have a tendency to shoot when better options are available (but sometime he scores) .


It's basically time for another prolific English goal scorer to challenge/replace him, but not sure that will happen, the FA love him.

27 Sep 2026 13:56:13
I agree Baz, he's more than does his bit for England but everyone has a sell by date.

His record in the final stages and against the best sides isn't good, that's why it time to move on.

Listening to the radio just, and they were talking about having players who've got 70/80 caps in their position but their back-ups have only got 3 or 4 between them. Who replaces Kane if he gets injured, and who have we got who can step up at the next World Cup - now is the time to start looking for that person.

Another point to ponder on - Spain turned up last night with pretty much their World Cup winning team. England had half a dozen drop outs during the lead up to the game, how come?

What are Spain doing that we aren't?

You want to beat the best and become European or World Champions you have to study what they try and replicate it.

27 Sep 2026 14:06:11
It's definitely cocky and not the other.
Carry on and he will get caught hopefully not in one of our games.
Thats my opinion.

27 Sep 2026 15:35:20
If anyone thinks DCL would score more than Kane they need their head testing.

27 Sep 2026 16:29:42
Whiteman, if you think Trafford was "cocky" last night, you can't have been watching the same game as me. I commented above that last night, with the ball at his feet, he never let the Spanish players get too close before moving it on, and his distribution was generally good, I hope he starts playing like that for Leeds.

And Cleggy, if you thougt Harry Kane's headed goal was questionable, I recommend a visit to Specsavers, the camera behind the goal showed it was bang on target, which is why it was awarded to him pretty much straight away and no thought given to making it an OG for Cucurella.

His slip when taking the Pen was maybe down to the modern obsession with having the sprinklers on right up to kick off, and the surface being a little greasy. Yes he could have passed to Gordon instead of shooting himself, but most strikers in his position would've done likewise. HK is a top top striker, and I'd have him at Leeds like a shot.

27 Sep 2026 22:22:47
I rate Harry Kane. In terms of pure numbers they speak for themselves but I don't rate him as England's best ever striker. Not even England's best striker in my 32 yrs.

I look at the vast majority of his goals against weak teams and go if we really had Watkins/Toney/DCl/etc there instead of him do we really lose much.

I think he's an anti-Haaland - who some would call rigid. Others (like me) would call it tactical discipline. He stays where a striker should be. Kane wants to do everything and be everywhere against good teams, spreads himself too thin and ends up doing more harm than good.

Kane has rarely delivered in semis or finals or against big teams in three world cups. If you need someone to score against Panama or Senegal he's your man.

2018 no goals in QF Vs Sweden or SF vs. Croatia. Did turn a dour draw Vs. Tunisia for us.

2022 scored a penalty Vs France (also missed a penalty)

2026 group stage goals and yes dragged us through Vs Dr Congo. A. Penalty vs. Mexico. No goals in QF Vs Norway. No goals Vs Argentina. Kanes best non penalty tournament goal was Vs Germany in euro 2020 for me and though that's not to be sniffed at it's slim returns.

Prime Michael Owen (1998-2005) . Goal Vs a top romania team who beat us on the night. The Argentina goal and won a dubious penalty that shearer converted. The Germany hattrick (yes a qualifier) . Won a second game winning pen Vs Argentina in 2002. Scored against eventual champions Brazil in the quarters. Scored early Vs Portugal in euros quarterfinal.

In terms of pure numbers and longevity it belongs to Kane. In terms of my 32 years the peak and peak impact belong to Owen in an England shirt. Teams respect Kane. World class defenders feared prime Michael Owen because time and again he made impacts in matches that mattered. Maybe not enough to swing it. But not because he didn't deliver individually.

27 Sep 2026 23:10:53
Michael Owen very good player and at full pace before injuries for sure he scared the hell out of other players.

I'd still take Kane over Owen for England and my club Leeds ( if only).

Kane's 414 career goals scored are virtually double those of Owen 213.

28 Sep 2026 16:16:18
Fair baz.

At age 26 for both (which lets say was the end of Owen's peak) . Kane had a very slim lead in terms of pure goals.

Kane is a brilliant player. And his assist total far out weighs Owen.

But Kane just doesn't do it against the big countries for England for me.

For me id take a striker with lower totals against your Lithuania's and Panamas in exchange for a regular goal (or more) against the big teams.

But it's different views, always good. Id also argue prime Owen was world class not merely very good, certainly through 97-02 and arguably through 05. Think Owens peak ended with the ACL at the world cup and his last good game was that Argentina friendly.

28 Sep 2026 17:24:04
Good follow up post Ealing.

Much as I dislike them players such as Maradona and Messi are world class because they were extraordinarily talented and the main reasons otherwise ordinary Argentinian sides won World Cups.

Owen not World Class imo

Defo incredibly fast in his early career but for me wasnt a better finisher than his Liverpool team mate Robbie Fowler for starters.

27 Sep 2026 09:10:20
Not a good night for our keeper last night,
He been very cocky at times hopefully better next time out.

27 Sep 2026 10:05:50
Yeah. Don't like that. Didn't see the game but he was a bit cocky v toon. Hope that's not Leeds feeding him that crap. Save a pass. Simple job.

27 Sep 2026 10:28:00
Personally I don't see him as cocky, but I do see him as confident which is different and you do need your keeper to be on top form mentally.
He can definitely play the ball out as well, a welcomed change from Pickford's constant big hoof up the pitch.

27 Sep 2026 10:45:41
The difference between cocky and confident is simple. Do your job adequately. Don't try and goad strikers closer to you. Don't play with the ball.
Do you see strikers trying to goad a keeper to come at them? No.
Keepers job is save and distribute. Simple. He is both. Confident and getting cocky.

27 Sep 2026 13:04:48
He definitely has a touch of arrogance which is a good thing at top level sports.

27 Sep 2026 13:05:29
Trafford defo needs to stop his dilly dallying on ball almost caught in possession that he has been doing for Leeds past matches

He didnt do it for England under Tuchel.

And before anyone says

Yes, generally, Trafford is a good goalkeeper esp on saving shots.

27 Sep 2026 13:09:28
But arrogance definitely needs to be backed up by lots of excellent performances.

27 Sep 2026 14:18:50
You create more space by bringing a forward closer to you as a goalie, or goading if you incorrectly prefer.
It's not done to tease the opposition.

27 Sep 2026 14:45:11
Just the usual anti Leeds goalkeeper, everyone else is exempt from criticism.

27 Sep 2026 15:40:58
You didn't see the game Aus, but I did and can tell you that he was in no way cocky last night, but always moved the ball on in good time before the Spanish players got too close. He was badly let down by the defenders for goals 1 and 2, and for goal 3 one might say he was just a tad slow getting off his line if being really hard on him, but then a top striker like Oyarzabal would have still found a way past him after having been allowed to go 1 on 1 by the defenders.

27 Sep 2026 15:12:27
Op you really should grow up read what the English fan were saying and you may learn something I doubt it but one can live in hope, I think some must have stole your sweet and you can get over it, it's always the same old ant I Leeds fan this anti fans that what a load of 💩.

27 Sep 2026 16:06:07
I did and he did,.🤷🏻‍♂️.

27 Sep 2026 17:18:27
Not entertaining your world Whiteman, have a good day. x.

27 Sep 2026 20:21:40
I think you should open your eyes when watching a football game Whiteman, you certainly didn't watch the same football match as me.
What seems as the general disdain for every goalkeeper that is employed by Leeds United in recent years is very prevalent in yourself and one or two others on this forum.

it's certainly not general consensus of every Leeds fan concerning Trafford.
That type of 💩from fans like you is not what the player deserves or has to tolerate.

I also do not appreciate your condescending comments made about me on this forum It's not the first time you have done this.
You don't know me and do not post anything like that towards me again.
It's not Banter just insult. !

27 Sep 2026 22:30:23
You lost your sweet again op dear or dear don't make me laugh it takes a man,

27 Sep 2026 22:31:45
You should read your own book you may learn something if you can.

27 Sep 2026 22:37:02
If you could read you will see that mess I liked very much you will also read that when he played for Burnley I said we should buy him.

27 Sep 2026 22:56:54
It certainly does Whiteman, something you'll never know about.
I'm only on this forum to discuss football something that I am wasting my time with you as your knowledge of it is non existent.

28 Sep 2026 00:33:32
I can read very well Whiteman thank you.
For some reason you have taken it upon yourself to believe my comment above was directed to you, why I don't know.

At no point did I mention your name, it was in fact directed to Baz and Aus who both seem to think that every goalkeeper at Leeds United is useless and a waste of time and so every time they deliver one of their very uniformed opinions on our goalkeepers, I feel obliged to counter their opinion with my own.

Nothing to do with you sir but often you seem to think I'm having a dig at you and only you.

But if you continue to trade cheap banter at me, then expect it to be delivered back at you.

28 Sep 2026 11:04:26
As I have said before imo plenty of very good Leeds United goalies over the decades OP

Trafford is good, Darlow was fine of two most recent

Mes, Kiko and some others much less so

That is all.

28 Sep 2026 16:34:11
Personal rating of the keepers we've had in my time. I may have forgotten some rare seconds or third choices who got odd games, apologies.

1. Martyn




2. Trafford
3. Schmeichel
4. Robinson
5. McCarthy (short but very good loan spell)
5. Lonergan (1st spell)
6. Green
7. Sullivan
8. Ankergren
9.Meslier (I still give him a bit of credit for the 1st 20 mths) .
10.Kenny
11.Silvestri (had a few moments like Middlesbrough) .
12. Robles
13. Peacock Farrell
14. Butland (short but less productive loan spell
15. Warner (can't remember much tbh)
16. Lucas (Histon I think)
17. Cairns
18. Wiedwald remarkably a lot of early clean sheets but never convincing.
19. Zetterer not impressed so far but only one game
20. Higgs
21. Lonergan (2nd spell) .
22.Turnbull
23. Ashdown
23. Casilla
24. Rachubka

Meslier very hard to pin down because he had a good to excellent spell late champ through to about early second prem season. Even had one or two excellent games under marsch Liverpool comes to mind.

28 Sep 2026 17:26:55
Good list Ealing

Mes made far, far too many howlers.the game away to Everton when he went on a walkabout leaving an unguarded goal one of the worst ever.

28 Sep 2026 23:01:15
Nowt to do with his goalkeeping abilities, but whenever I see Paul Robinson's name, I'm reminded of a 90+ minute headed goal he scored against Swindon in a league cup match to level the score, and then went on to save a pen in the subsequent shoot-out to win us the tie.

27 Sep 2026 07:39:27
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26 Sep 2026 17:17:39
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