Leeds Banter Archive January 13 2016

13 Jan 2016 23:32:23
When was the last time we had a decent centre half pairing? To be fair even Whyte and Fairclough weren't great even though they were the mainstay of the last league winning team. Nobody has come close to the Hunter and Charlton combination.

14 Jan 2016 06:40:59
Radebe and woodgate?

14 Jan 2016 06:41:34
Ferdinand and radebe? ferdinand and woodgate?

14 Jan 2016 08:41:00
Ferdinand and Woodgate were the best pairing in the Premier League by a country mile at the time
Not sure if there have been many better.

14 Jan 2016 08:42:18
Oh and let's not forget any pairing that involved the legend who is 'Roque Junior'
I think you will all agree on that one!

14 Jan 2016 13:57:42
I thought Naylor and Kisnorbo in the L1 days were blooming good for that division.

14 Jan 2016 15:14:27
Ferdinand only played 50 or so games for Leeds, and Woody always seemed to be injured. If only we had someone to play consistently with Lucas.

14 Jan 2016 16:38:21
Apart from the obvious Lucas and Woody, I always rated David Wetherall.

MM.

14 Jan 2016 19:01:37
Cheers MM. At least someone appreciated my efforts.

13 Jan 2016 19:53:33
IO don't think anybody is saying sell our youngsters to bring in experience. We need to bring in experience but as many of our young players as possible but use them sensibly. Certainly not all or nothing. I saw Bremner from the start. Even he needed experience around him. It was Revie to start with. We build around our young players but we don't want to be 'has been's' or 'never were' because they were burnt out or disillusioned in a team going nowhere. We also don't want them leaving because they've no one to look to that they can admire and learn from. I wouldn't blame Cellino if he didn't bring in anyone else this window because our chances of going up are small and January is not usually a good time to buy. However, if he doesn't the young lads might see not a future for the club and want to be off. Waiting for Summer would be the ideal time if he could keep our best players. Loan to buy in this window is an option but wading through the dross other clubs are trying to off load will be a tester for Evans. Tricky one. Glad I don't own the club.

13 Jan 2016 21:46:29
Top stuff Hesslian
Our problems are not on the field they are years of mis management off of it. Rose, Lennon, Delph, Milner and Howson all currently playing premiership football. Clayton at Boro Lees at Wednesday put that lot together with Taylor, Byram, Cook, Mowatt, Phillips and Coyle and you could then bring in three or four top class players and build a dynasty.
It won't happen under MC as no one will want to manage this club soon, only chancers like Evans and Hockaday.
We have produced top quality players for years now, what we want is someone with real money to see the potential of a one city club and who puts in the foundations for sound and proper growth.
We are a mid table championship club for a reason, that is because we have mid championship managers, buy mid championship players and have had owners who are happy to talk the talk but not put their hands deep into their pockets.
Our club has so much potential, it is so frustrating and has been for years.

13 Jan 2016 22:13:36
Hess I agree with a lot of this comment unlike your previous one and as I said to Speedy a I apologize if I was wrong to think that. I agree with the point about not being Owner. But I disagree with the point you make about Cellino not going to buy players you wouldn't blame him. If he want this team in the prem he has to invest and know there is a slight chance of getting it he has to go for it. ( And i'll tell you guys something I was behind Rosler when he said we are targeting a top 10 finish I still do stick by that opinion because that's were I think we will realistically finish but Evans has put that belief in me and I do not like Big Steve after what he said about us but that it is something likeable about him. ) But back to the main point I still think the main thing to lead to successes is the use of our youngsters as/ in the core of our team but it is also important to have experience to help the youngsters to help them and have the right combo. As I said when I first joined this good site I enjoy debating with you and agreeing with you because at end of the day we love the rollercoaster of emotions that is supporting Leeds United F. C. MOT.

13 Jan 2016 18:58:03
To me all or problems start in attack in all our games I don't think we've had more than 7 or 8 shots on goal never mind on target. We are not causing enough problems for opposition defence allowing teams to go at us from their backs putting our defense under pressure. What we need is a proper football brain in the middle to break up play and dictate play. To often final ball into danger areas not good enough. I think we're not far away but badly need that bit of quality.

13 Jan 2016 19:55:14
Well. Agree again Wex. I know we keep letting in sloppy goals. But we are not leaking them. If we had more bite up front, the number of goals we are currently conceding wouldn't matter. We would still be winning games.

13 Jan 2016 21:42:25
I agree Wex about the front line we get a lot chances but some games we can't put them away. And I agree with Speedy about not conceeding many we just can not put enough away in my opinion we have an ok defence we don't get hammered often scoreline wise and compare Bamba Cooper or to the better ( at the moment as Hess keeps telling us. ) Cooper Bellusci To Wootton Pearce or Lee's Pearce of a couple season a go. I know which would I rather have. I mean I still we need a Cb to improve even more to become a playoffs challenger but a foward is a lot important. IMO. MOT.

13 Jan 2016 16:35:37
Enough of the doom and gloom, we can still make the play off's? Can't we? Could be worse! Look at Brighton, high flyers, unbeaten run, blah blah blah as we had rammed down our throats! Now they are dropping like a brick down the league! No wonder Bridcutt, didn't go there! Still a lot of points to play for! MOT.

13 Jan 2016 21:50:04
Nice to see some positive words from you kjc, no offense you can be a bit of Mr. Doom and Gloom but a least you are not like the obsorber of happiness and joy Surivor/ Untouchable (Only kidding Survivor. )

13 Jan 2016 14:03:40
Agree Hesslian with all that you say, we cannot base our team around too many young players 1 or 2 maybe, 4 or 5 is too many, with Beardi back we need 2 centre half's, 2 strikers at least 1 with pace and some more pace from midfield . There are about 5 of the squad that could be moved on to make room. Think Evans can do the job and we are half way there, if we can bring in the new faces for the start of the next campaign we will be challanging.

13 Jan 2016 14:50:28
You'll never win anything with kids!

13 Jan 2016 17:46:53
We need to be moving on the like of Antenucci, Sloth, Doukara and Bianci etc, keep the young players and buy players with proven experience at this level. If we are going to get players in on loan let's get the likes of Bamford (Chelsea) and Pritchard ( (Spurs) not players that are looking for one last pay day. I say by Bridcutt now and not wait until the summer.

13 Jan 2016 18:20:19
Think Lucas was only joking,!

13 Jan 2016 21:05:41
Cheers corky. I think there's a few people on here don't remember Alan Hansen saying that on motd back in the early 90's. Obviously not ancient like me:)

13 Jan 2016 12:06:17
Top six is, I think, out of the question. Looking at the current team starting from the back. Silvestre is fine. Belusci and Cooper whilst not being great are our best pairing. Wooton is solid but not up to it if faced with any sort of winger with pace or is tricky. Wooton offers nothing going forward and therefore is one of the reasons why come under pressure from teams pushing on from the back and mid field. Taylor is generally good but inexperienced. The midfield has talent and potential but is far too inexperienced. Bridcutt is the exception and he is fine. Mowatt, Cook and Byram are talentedbut lack experience and can be 'old manned' as we used to say by less talented but more experienced opponents. Playing one or two (maximum) would be ok but having more of them means we can be dominated for long periods. Long periods of dominance makes it even harder for the central defence to hold out particularly if the right back can't cut out the crosses and/ or push the opposition back. Up front Wood is the only one who can lead the line and hold the ball up but he doesn't seem to be a natural goal scorer. Dallas is ok but is the type of winger that even Wooton could manage on a good day. He's ok but not great as he doesn't frighten the opposition which wingers should. The new lad from Middlesborough seems ok but too soon to tell. All in all we are lacking in too many areas. Without the introduction a decent right back, at least another experienced and influential midfielder and a striker, who can actually score we are at best a mid to low table outfit. At the moment the defence comes under too much pressure and we don't creat muche going forward and certainly any striker would suffer in this team as they would not get the service they need. Beckford could score 30 a season but enough chances were created for him to miss seven times as many again. I don't think there is a striker alive who could convert just about every chance but that's what we are expecting at the moment. Maybe Wood could score as many as Beckford and Becchio if he had their number of chances. Who Knows?

13 Jan 2016 12:44:55
Spot on Hesslian. Let's take a reality check. We are not good enough for the playoffs by quite a long way. The occasional good result is giving false hope to many. Top 10/ 12 would be a decent achievement with the current squad in my opinion.
However, we do need to start to build now for a challenge next season, as, apart from anything else, the better players will want to be on their way unless we shown signs of being in with a shot at the promotion places. Could be a summer of cashing in on the youth to buy some (hopefully decent) experience.

13 Jan 2016 13:14:09
Agreed. I wasn't chuffed when Evans came in but I think we should stick with him and let him build on what we have now for next season. If we could keep Bridcutt that would be a good start although no idea if we could actually afford him permanently. Mid table was what I expected at the start of the season (hoped for play offs, expected mid table) and still think that's where we will finish. Let Evans strengthen the team in th right areas over the summer and give it a crack next season.

13 Jan 2016 14:00:09
Basically Hesslian what you're saying is our best 2 players are loanees. Sadly what often happens when players get signed up permanently is they then start playing carp!

13 Jan 2016 09:17:31
We sadly won't challenge for promotion until we get a big commanding sod off central defender.

13 Jan 2016 04:43:15
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