01 Sep 2024 10:11:13
JKA kicked out of another club. Total of 5 goals since leaving us. Astute business bringing him in.
01 Sep 2024 10:29:59
So says LAWD 2 Alf , the most expensive flop in EPL history
Nice 1 Vic.
01 Sep 2024 11:29:15
Hasn't he got some rare condition? Just wondering what the hell happened with him.
01 Sep 2024 14:29:23
The JKA transfer .
. more red flags than the Chinese Communist Party.
01 Sep 2024 22:14:24
Dill - you are correct JKA hasn’t been fully fit since picking up Covid while with Leeds - became long-Covid then subsequently diagnosed with Guillane-Barre Syndrome.
As has been flagged on here previously, it’s actually just a case of a gifted footballer who got very unlucky with his health - the lad is also unsurprisingly suffering depression. So it’s about time folks stopped ignoring the facts just so they can keep waving stupid so-called red flags and having another go at your favourite bogeyman. It’s not JKAs fault he got ill, and it’s not Orta’s - so just get over it - sometimes when sh*t happen there isn’t actually someone to blame.
02 Sep 2024 00:43:02
IT WAS SHEER FOLLY BY UNCLE VICTOR ORTA in signing JKA a striker for £23 million on a WHOPPING FIVE YEAR unbelievable £90, 000 a week contract who had only been able to play for a myriad of reasons
- 75 matches in 5 seasons ( just a woeful average of 15 a season)
- 14 goals in 75 matches ( a woeful 1 goal every 5.35 matches ) . bad stats
for PSG and RB leipzig
RED FLAG NIRVANA Clu
yes he had illness and injury again after signing for Leeds . ; but its what happened PRE signing for Leeds United that is red flag pertinent . should never have been signed .
02 Sep 2024 14:50:10
Clue fundamentally I agree with you, but your post is hugely based on hindsight
HOWEVER, when he signed
I immediately said this was a bad move,
He was on loan with a club, who were willing to terminate his loan IMMEDIATELY, his parent club were willing to sell IMMEDIATELY, to clown like Victor
Now where this gifted footballer sit s with a pair of football clubs who having experienced him 1st hand were willing to drop him immediately
Well then for me, experience far outweighs opinions
Then we are saddled with the most expensive EPL flop of all time so far
And btw I didn't give him that title that was other sport writers.
02 Sep 2024 17:40:02
Typo ERROR
Now where this " gifted " footballer sits within a pair of football clubs.
03 Sep 2024 00:52:13
Chris, JKA actually had a decent first season at Leipzig, considering they already had Yusuf Poulsen and had also brought in Timo Werner, ostensibly as a winger but actually played at CF. JKA picked up 12 goals and 8 assists in 37 games, and given he only started 23 and played a total of just over 2000 minutes, worked out as roughly 1 G/ A per 112 minutes. This included 3 goals and 3 assists in the last two league games, suggesting he was well primed to kick on the following season.
Unfortunately Rangnick then returned as first team coach, with his distinctive brand of man management - more recently demonstrated at old trafford. One of the first things he did on return was accuse JKA and 2 other Afro-French players of turning up to pre-season unfit - which in JKA’s case, at least, was not borne out by the fact that he played the full 90 minutes of each of their first 2 Europa League qualifiers, on 26 July and 2 August, scoring 1 goal and assisting 2 other. His minutes for the remaining qualifiers were tapered back to help enable other forwards to increase their match minutes, and he also started each of their first 2 league matches, scoring in both. Rangnick had also brought in Matheus Cunha as additional back up for Poulter and Werner, reducing the opportunities available to JKA. Even so JKA had a better G/ A return per minutes played than Cunha - with 8 and 2 in 1340 minutes, compared to 9 and 2 in 1958 for Cunha. The relationship between JKA and Rangnick was probably not helped by JKA being played in a Leipzig friendly match during an international break, despite the lad not joining up with the French U21s due to ‘muscle fatigue’ - leading to his being suspended from international consideration by FIFA.
The following next summer, Rangnick brought in Patrick Schick, possibly largely due to his form for Austria, meaning either JKA or Cunha could leave, and Monaco offered to take JKA on loan, with Cunha also leaving in January when Hertha Berlin bought him - certainly not on the basis of his performance for Leipzig in the first half of the season, during which he played just 359 minutes and picked up just one assist.
Monaco had lost 2 strikers that summer, so goodness only knows why they chose to bring in 3, with Wissan Ben Yedder being bought for €30m and Islam Slimani also being loaned in. They already had Stevan Jovetic and Balde Keita. Bearing in mind that JKA had missed the first three rounds of Bundesliga matches due to and ankle knock picked up in preseason, and was unsurprisingly also not yet match fit for the 4th round of Ligue 1 matches, he was started at a disadvantage there in terms of trying to become a trusted CF member of the match day squad. The Monaco squad was also well-stacked with wingers (6) meaning that alternative route into the squad was even less likely. It is therefore very unsurprising that Monaco jumped at the chance to cut short his loan - for the full length of which they were due to cough up €4m. Given that Leipzig had felt well enough stocked at CF in January to see fit to sell Cunha to Hertha, why would they have turned down the chance to earn a loan fee and subsequent transfer fee for JKA. The readiness of both clubs for JKA to move on therefore should not have set alarm bells ringing, or red flags afluttering.
Talking of red flags. Baz also tried to suggest that we take into red flag consideration the minutes gained and goals scored by JKA at PSG - the first 3 of his 5 year timeframe. Bearing in mind that JKA was a 17/ 18/ 19 year old academy graduate at that club which is rightly lambasted locally for overlooking local academy talent in favour of established players assembled from across Europe and beyond (often at great expense) particularly in the forward line - is it any surprise therefore that JKA didn’t get picked ahead of Ibrahimovic and Cavani in the first 2 of those years. When Ibrahimovic left for the 3rd year Cavani went on an almost ever present run of matches, scoring 49 goals in all competitions. Cavani didn’t play in the first game of the season, but JKA was rested for the first 2 games having only finished playing in the successful UEFA U19 tournament two weeks before the season commenced - receiving the golden boot and best player awards. Therefore Hatem Ben Arfa started at CF (having played there 14 times for Nice, despite being ostensibly a CAM, the previous season) putting him ahead of JKA for a match day spot. In January, when Goncalo Guedes (a winger with CF experience) returned from a successful loan spell, he also took precedence on the subs bench ahead of JKA, leading the latter to spend more time in the second half of the season playing for the youth team to maintain match fitness - scoring a further 7 goals for them - suggesting no lack of effort/ poor attitude on his part. The headline figures of 1 goal and 2 assists in 13 senior matches sounds poor, but when you consider he only actually played 331 minutes across those matches you get 1 G/ A roughly every 110 minutes.
So Baz, in conclusion, I think we can pretty much take your ‘Nirvana of red flags’ with a pinch of salt.
With apologies for the length of this post, but reasoned factual comments take rather more space that snappy but substantively baseless soundbites.
03 Sep 2024 03:24:48
Clu lots of War and Peace length reasons / excuses from you as to why JKA played so few matches prior to joining Leeds . your stats also look off to me from stats websites I have checked
According to various sources including FB Rep St
JKA ages 19 to 22 his senior stats prior to joining Leeds
2016/ 17 matches 10 goals 1
2017/ 18 matches 25 goals 9
2018/ 19 matches 17 goals 3
2019/ 20 matches 10 goals 0
The facts are Leeds spent extortionate salary of £25 million over 5 years and transfer fee of £23 million on a player that had achieved very little and scored just 13 or 14 senior goals
it was a foolish gamble that cost LUFC a total of £48 million plus legal fees for 3 games 0 goals
as Chris said both Monaco his loan club and RB leipzig couldn't wait to get shot of him
Red flag Nirvana indeed.
03 Sep 2024 07:11:47
Clu as many posters have said on here stats don't always tell correct picture, ( not my words ) again, . but for this purpose I will use them
If he was a " gifted " footballer, no way Leipzig or Monaco were letting him come to Leeds, that's bottom line as you know well
There I shall leave it now, my favourite bogeyman as you said continues to cause issues at our club, that's why he is relevant even now,
It's not as if he's just being spoke of randomly.
03 Sep 2024 08:55:21
Chris - have you actually read and understood anything I wrote. Leipzig were equally happy to let Hertha Berlin take Matheus Cunha off their hands - the very player many of our fans were subsequently salivating over when clickbait rumours suggested we were in for him two seasons ago, before Wolves signed him on loan with an obligation to buy for £44m! Despite Rangnick’s management, JKA had outperformed Cunha at Leipzig.
It is actually YOUR judgement of JKA, and those of the journos who came up with the epithet you happily repeated as fact, that is very much based on hindsight.
And Baz, stats mean nothing without context. More fool you if you choose to ignore the context just to satisfy yourself that you have a valid argument. I had previously said I wouldn’t return to this topic, but your comment invited a rebuttal. And another point not addressed in my previous post - you say JKA was ‘injured and ill again’ at Leeds, as if he had a litany of injury and illness which should have acted as one of your ridiculously coined ‘red flags’.
Before the ankle injury that set him back at the start of the 19/ 20 season, he had missed a total of 33 days in the previous 5 seasons in just 4 episodes - the longest of which was 14 days - and missed just 6 games - hardly ‘sick note’ territory.
Time for you to bin your ??????and pick up a ?️, then move on.
03 Sep 2024 11:09:58
Clu in EVERY one of your posts you rather conspicuously have made ZERO reference to the ridiculous utterly extortionate finance figures committed to LUFC by Victor Orta
For a player who had achieved relatively nowt, played so little minutes ( by your own admission Clu) scored so little ( facts) , done so little
on what logical sensible planet Clu are you stating committing ( hardly cash laden) Leeds United to a 5 year £90; 000 a week contract was a good deal for LUFC!
No Clu . the red flags to those eye watering figures and their detrimental ramifications are still prevalent within LUFC financial accounts to this day.
The biggest clanger ever (of so many clangers ) from "Serial Relegation Specialist Victor Orta "
Your continued defence of VO forever shocking Clu. Definitely you be in a tiny minority on that!
Anyways. an enjoyable debate!
03 Sep 2024 11:17:35
. and just to. add Cunha (who you compare) who was scoring goals for fun in the EPL for Wolves was on 33% smaller salary than JKA. £60,000.