24 Aug 2024 22:04:34
Probably give rise to few eyebrows, but just read that Leeds have kept the most clean sheets in 2024 in the top 4 divisions and in that time, Mes has played, 48% of his matches have been clean sheets; a championship record.
24 Aug 2024 22:49:20
Thank god we defend well from front to back.
24 Aug 2024 23:07:35
Ani
As by some distance our most learned poster Dill has so ably detailed in numerous posts during past week including today:
Le Gash was wayy down tbe table in goalkeeping stats compared to the rest of Champo gks and that's with our defence .
Those " record clean sheets " sadly count the same as Leeds United " 90 point trophy " . nowt
No promotion.
25 Aug 2024 03:39:08
Statistically speaking he's bang average. Defence did a lot of the heavy lifting last season. Most notably, making sure he faced the least shots of the top 6 by some margin.
25 Aug 2024 04:58:57
Even yesterday he nearly messed an easy collect.
It’s beyond me how the management team can’t see how bad he is. It’s so obvious.
25 Aug 2024 06:25:16
Wasting your time Ani showing factual information like this to the doubters. Sorry guys but you are wrong about Mez in my opinion the coaches opinions, players opinions and certain other statistical info.
I’m also not going to waste anymore time either, this really is a very worn out debate.
Even if we win the this league and get promoted some of you will say we would have done better without him!
25 Aug 2024 07:36:42
Is statistical data not factual, OP? The defence did make sure he faced far less shots than his peers. It's a demonstrable fact. Less shots = more chance of clean sheets.
My teo cents fwiw. I'm not against Mes, just against the narrative he's a good keeper. He's smack bang in the middle of the league last season for most GK metrics. Some higher, some lower. I could write them all out to illustrate where he ranked in the league for each metric?
Have always said we can still get promoted with him, but at the same time we can also recruit better. Have to assume he's not going anywhere so it is rather a moot point atm, but he does keep being brought up by posters.
25 Aug 2024 08:39:07
I don’t need to wait Opti.
I can tell you now. If we win the league we could have done better without him.
25 Aug 2024 10:33:34
Ok just for the sake of entertaining ourselves a little further on this matter, can you explain to me especially you Dill and forget all your facts and stats on this one, why did Bielsa not offload Mez when we were promoted and why has Farke also not seeked to improve on Meslier?
Please no pathetic reasons that we can’t sell him because nobody wants him.!
My argument still remains the same, I still don’t think Meslier is the best GK we’ve had at this club but he is certainly no where near the rubbish that you blokes make him out to be. Plus he is still young enough to improve and it is possibly that, that the club is investing in his future?
25 Aug 2024 11:37:12
Said it a million times; stats, while facts, and very, very easily manipulated. Data overload is not the be all and end all. If you believe every stat put in front of you, without question, then it’s simply naive. Mes has saved every left footed shot from 5 to 15 yards away from the penalty spot (100%) , and no other keeper in the world has such a high success level. He is therefore the best in the world.
Data is there to be manipulated.
25 Aug 2024 12:20:43
How am I supposed to answer that, mate. Not privy to Bielsa's thoughts so would be pure supposition on my part.
From my point of view he was a decent young goalie with potential when we signed him. Having watched every game he's played, for me, he's made no notable improvements in the 5 seasons since. You have to expect (demand) progression in that amount of time and I don't think we have seen it.
Data is and should only be used as a measuring stick and in conjuction. You can learn a lot from it, but it's better when compounded with the eye test. His data isn't great and neither is he when you watch him.
I will say, there's meaningless data and then there's also meaningful data that applies directly to saves, shots faced, save percentages. If you disregard those then that's being rather myopic. They mean a lot. XG stuff for keepers can be discarded. Useless projections.
Also happy to stop talking about him tbh, mate. We've had same convos for weeks now and we know we have differing opinions on him and we're both stubborn enough not to change our minds ?.
25 Aug 2024 12:21:53
Mes is the " best " at nowt get. a grip
Opinions formed
. no one from either camp is swaying
. just gonner have to put up with his unreliability and gashness throughout season regrettably.
25 Aug 2024 12:39:21
Top class post Dill.
25 Aug 2024 13:32:34
I’m with you on that Dill, a rest it is.
Besides I can’t deal with Baz’s school yard name calling and sheep like opinions of Meslier any more.
Remember making up derogatory names for players was when I was about 9 years old.
25 Aug 2024 13:43:13
OP . Le Gash is quite cute sounding ? lol.
25 Aug 2024 14:43:45
Sounds like a French strip club.
25 Aug 2024 15:19:20
Nah. Sounds childish, hand infront of mouth, sniggering nonsense. Doesn’t even make any sense in terms of clever word or name manipulation.
25 Aug 2024 15:26:36
Dill lol ?.