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15 Mar 2024 16:30:21
Right gents, we are looking good with the final run in upon us, so here’s a question for you all, and remember everybody’s opinion matters and should be posted without fear of ridicule! ……. Fingers crossed we get promoted to The Premiership, so what players do you keep (sentiment not allowed) and what players go? Then what positions need improvement and who do we go for? Every poster on here is good at this sort of question and every poster has a different answer, so let’s make this a friendly debate showing respect for everyone’s answers please, and Baz this is not a competition to get one over on OP! OP’s posts are bloody good and relevant just like Brighty’s, George’s, Mezzers’s, Berms, Ani’s, Alfs and etc etc, so behave young man. There is not one of us better than the other on here, and Baz you don’t need to be bitchy to get people to read your posts as they are great to read without it, you have a wealth of great knowledge about Leeds just like George and you are Leeds through and through, banter is great but dick measuring or point scoring isn’t. Get those brains thinking boys, 2024/ 25 back in the premiership, who lines up for our first game? MOT 👍👍.

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15 Mar 2024 18:36:31
Well….

In all honesty I think this team as it is, is good enough to stay up and I think as is we are stronger than a good 4-7 premiership teams.

Strengthening I think we have to make Rodon a perminanat buy. Maybe a left back as is firpo good enough for prem? Certainly a right back, I love Archie but he is the weak point in our team at right back and teams do target him… put him in cm where he will fly (although others in that position are good also great)

Think James deserves chance in prem, Jimmy, rutter, gnoto are all great.

Maybe sell bamford and get a striker? Bit harsh maybe but might be needed as bamford is great but a bit formy and can Prirllo make step up

But trust farke and don’t think we are far off being safe in prem.

15 Mar 2024 18:58:24
Of we go up I'd love these three:

Luca Netz - LB - Monchengladbach
Can Uzun - AM - Nurnberg
Maxence Lacroix - CB - Wolfsburg

Have wrote about Uzun before on here. He will be world class one day, but he's a proper talent already.

15 Mar 2024 19:10:28
Hey Woody

I do agree with OP point of view occasions

but honestly the past 2 R fodder Leeds United seasons in particular made it difficult to SINCERELY agree with some of the more rose tinted optimistic posts.

As was proved on pitch .

15 Mar 2024 19:13:23
Good post mate, I agree with a lot of that Berm, dead wood needs to go like the likes of Cooper, Baby Shacks, etc then Firpo, Bamford, Byram and maybe Piroe, but that’s up for debate. 3 x defenders with a left back and right back included in that. A proven playmaker goal scorer in midfield then in addition to Matteo Joseph and Georginio we need 2 x proven attackers / strikers. We need a team that can not only secure a position in the Premiership but put a platform down for the next season and then keep growing from there, possible 3/ 4 years and qualifying for Europe could be a possibility, it’s all possible with the right application throughout our club. 👍👍.

15 Mar 2024 19:22:25
To go, Darlow, Coops, Dallas, Byram

Maybe Shacks and Geldhardt, Bamford, and Piroe
Leave that to DF

Wober, back as utility back and holding midfield cover.
We then need
Keeper
Two fullbacks,
Attacking Mid like Pablo
Winger
Goalscorer
Replacements for Piroe, Bamford, if moved on.

15 Mar 2024 19:46:09
Mmmmmm🤔if we can keep our best players possible not sure our current manager can keep us there his record not that good in PL plus investment will be needed with out could be short lived.

15 Mar 2024 20:25:22
DF, didn't have the players to keep Norwich up, not his fault imho
Same Bielsa, just didn't have enough players with quality, did well with what he had.
It's not like they were underperforming under Bielsa,
Similar now with DF.
What we have or keep needs supplementing with 6,7,8 top quality players.

15 Mar 2024 20:30:47
Not sure if you saw my response earlier this week Whiteman, but there was a massive reason DF didn't succeed in the EPL. He was given next to F all money to create an EPL worthy team. You keep harping on about this same point but not addressing the very legitimate reason as to why he didn't have success. It wasn't because he's not capable.

15 Mar 2024 21:49:12
Fing is peeps, fing is, it ain't just about who what et Al. To be successful you Have to have unity, a spirit a will. This is Farkes genius, as it was the mighty Bielsa's. They have created a winning environment, energised a club, a city and importantly individuals. This is so rare in modern football. The family is all. Its mind blowing. Who believed this could be possible at the get go? Everything is blossoming in the garden and it's down to the spade work. We are Leeds, we will prevail have No doubt. Rejoice and support our club like only we can x.

15 Mar 2024 22:19:03
Dillinger what make you sure he’s going to get any from ours, and then look at all the money they got going up and down up and down, just because he’s doing ok now look at the post above they have us needing seven players we be lucky to get two, look at Bielsa house paint with his face legend’s for thousands and thousands, got us up no money given down we come them what do you get crap manager unbelievable records show facts he doesn’t have a good one . But like most on here what do I know sweet fa. 🤭.

15 Mar 2024 23:28:46
Good post Whiteman, it’s not about what you know our don’t know, it’s about opinions and if that’s yours then own it! I asked the question because I’m interested in what you lads think. I was speaking to my mates yesterday and they think Leeds should get rid of Farke and go all out money wise and get Bielsa back or even go for Jose M, I mean WTF but it’s their opinion and I respect that. The answer will be next season if we get promoted and I genuinely hope Farke does a good job, maybe he has got something to prove of in his eye’s unfinished business, either way it can only be good for Leeds. Just remember we must be doing ok if we are debating this subject so happy days and just remember your opinion is always valued no matter how whacky it is. 👍👍.

16 Mar 2024 00:53:53
Great answer Dilli, and great question managers Baz, all valid points and totally agree with Netz and Uzun Dilli 👍👍.

16 Mar 2024 04:12:17
Woody thanks, at this point I am very happy the team are doing excellent but for the future we will all have to see. we can all hope that thing will work out in our favour after all we are LEEDS UTD.

16 Mar 2024 07:02:48
Great question, and supporting blurb Woody!
For me, I would keep all of the first 11 with the exception of Firpo, who, tho he has delivered as has been asked of him this season, is not defensively up to it in the PL, plus the regular subs we know.
To go: Joffy, Coops, Byram, Darlow, Ayling, Perkins, Shacks, Gyabi, Greenwood, Sini, Bate, Poveda, Hjelde, Drameh, Heuvel, Monteiro, Harrison, Roca, Wober, Llorente, Koch, Aaronsen, Rasmus K. Sign Rodon and Roberts.
McFadden and Moore promoted to seniors. (Don’t know enough about others)
Those sales and releases / out of contract players frees up a huge amount of weekly wedge for frees AND cash signings. Nice!
Caveat; yes, I know some are out of contract and leaving anyway.

16 Mar 2024 12:22:12
lol cheers Brighty, your short post the other day made me double up in laughter 😂 great answers mate and I agree with the changes. It’s going to be very hard to sort the loan mess out as a lot of them either don’t want to come back or we don’t want them! My thinking is in line with yours and I would love us to get a striker similar to Toney, and a solid left and right back, other than that I think we could hold our own in the Prem. 👍👍.

15 Mar 2024 16:10:03
Congratulations to Archie Gray getting a call up for the England U21s!

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15 Mar 2024 18:32:16
Feath Deserving he is. Will play for 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 main team soon enough.

15 Mar 2024 14:57:42
Sounds like Pascal could be out for the season. Let's hope there are no injuries or suspensions for our top two at the back!

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15 Mar 2024 15:45:56
Jeez . he was initially suppose to be out for just 2 weeks or so.

Leeds United medical team hmm . past 5 years.

15 Mar 2024 16:10:35
We’ve done ok without him so far Brighty, but we could do with him back, it’s just how much his confidence will have been hit after this injury and now this setback, but like you these bloody internationals worry me as injuries always seem to happen now and we would struggle losing one of our top two at the back, so I’m praying for no injuries mate 🙏🙏.

15 Mar 2024 17:33:38
Gutted for Pascal if that’s the outcome Brighty, but cannot imagine Farke would have contemplated breaking up the current Amps and Rodon partnership.

Whilst it would have strengthened the squad overall it actually removes a selection headache.

15 Mar 2024 17:35:39
Yes bright might need an op. With him being out for so long he will not really feature this season anyway it will take him 3-4 weeks just to get to any sort of fitness. Let alone match fitness.

15 Mar 2024 18:34:15
What Class said. Adductor injuries tricky to recover.

15 Mar 2024 11:21:20
Ok, confused again. If we are serious about RB Samuel, why did we buy Roberts. Did he come knowing he would be back up?

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15 Mar 2024 12:37:20
Roberts is on loan . not bought

We need 2 RBs.

15 Mar 2024 23:46:19
I think we will lose Jimmy and gnonto. Poss mez too.
None of our strikers bar possibly Joseph are good enough. Gray to midfield.
We need a good goalie. Two right backs, a left back, an attacking midfield and two to three strikers. And a replacement for Rodon if we don’t keep him.

16 Mar 2024 07:04:27
I’d sign Roberts up as one of our two RBS.

15 Mar 2024 10:10:23
Are we going to win by 2 clear goals? Thoughts?
We should blow bermwall out the water but they are battlers and rarely get thumped and on a good run.
I actually think we will but that's because I don't think any champ team can live with us atm.

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15 Mar 2024 11:39:45
Very nervous about this one. Will be in a club full of wall fans (most of whom I’ve invited)

Harris certainly has them signing a tube again however I think we will win by the two goals needed … we better because I can’t live with them burkes giving me stick all day!

15 Mar 2024 11:56:58
Thoughts on Joseph switching allegiances from England to Spain?

I guess I always thought of him as Spanish to begin with so not a big suprise for me. Was more suprised he played for England in the first place given his roots.

15 Mar 2024 12:03:42
Home advantage will help us thro this time, plus the nice break, which will hopefully also have a positive effect, rather than a negative one as sometimes happens! 3-1 for me.

15 Mar 2024 12:14:34
Think we win by 3 Aus, but there’s two caveats…. we must score the first goal, and my last correct prediction was Ian Baird to score the next goal!

15 Mar 2024 12:35:44
Yep sorry Berm but the Wall will get thrashed by Super Leeds ( if correct line up chosen)

Leeds 4 vs Wall 0

Leeds crucially have also had 9 days to recharge batteries

This starting 11 will win 4 nil
Mes
Roberts
Rodon
Amps
Byram
Gruev
Gray
DJ
Summerville
Gio
Bamford

Note : Gnonto does NOT score at home nor play well he is much, much better in away matches

If Farke picks Gnonto instead of DJ . Leeds win 2 nil.

15 Mar 2024 12:41:33
Maybe MJ feels he has a better chance of getting into a Spain front line than an England one.

15 Mar 2024 13:11:44
I’m going a squeaky 7-1 and a happy weekend for bermo.
Times are changing.

15 Mar 2024 13:54:44
Sorry that wasn't meant to be a reply, was meant to be a separate post lol.

15 Mar 2024 14:42:57
Dill. I suppose as a young lad schoolboy and u18s it was easier to play for England where he was living. Now he is older and can travel on his own he is free to play anywhere.
I think Spain haven't had a string of decent centre forwards in recent years so maybe he thinks there is more chance of top international games in Spain.
And I seem to think his dad is Spanish so he may have been influenced by dad to play for Spain.
Either team will be difficult to get to play for the senior team. Better going for Dominican Republic like firpo.

15 Mar 2024 15:47:37
Ben
Not sure Firpo even gets picked for Dominica Republic.

15 Mar 2024 18:43:50
Yeah that's a fair point Ben. Just hope he does well.

15 Mar 2024 19:17:41
Baz you are harsh! Firpo is not that bad. He is lower championship level to be sure. Just the physicality that he lacks. Haiti at home is just his bag.

15 Mar 2024 21:53:08
Yes Ben . Haiti, El Salvador, Guatemala. and JF would still be getting rinsed in defence.

16 Mar 2024 10:00:45
Well baz. At least he'll get a bit of sun out there . He has played in a lot of rain this season.

15 Mar 2024 01:25:47
Tonight's question : Gareth Southgate, why the long face?

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15 Mar 2024 07:59:26
Indeed. Especially when he has the backing of Paul Merson, who would “be amazed if England don’t win the Euros……”! .?

15 Mar 2024 09:07:38
I do agree with mers on this one. We have best team in world football. No excuse not to win it! But then I say that every tournament.

15 Mar 2024 12:04:04
Lol Bermo! Me too!

15 Mar 2024 12:07:26
If we win anything it will be inspite of Southgate, not because of him. A woeful tactician who's been blessed with a world class squad, yet has failed in our biggest matches due to his poor decisions.

15 Mar 2024 12:23:07
France. Belgium. 🤔.

15 Mar 2024 12:48:50
England certainly have more chance of winning Euros than a World Cup.

France will win it though imo

England really blew 2020 Euros . huge advantage of being at home, Southgate negative tactics, nothing special Italy.

15 Mar 2024 14:54:13
Agree that Southgate is too negative. The Italians were there for the taking in the last euros. We needed to push for the win but we managed to snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory.
Our great strong point in this squad is attack. Southgate will set up not to lose.
But I couldn't understand why we did not win something with stevie g lamps and Scholes.
And yes aus I cannot believe Belgium have done better with kdb lukaku hazard etc.

15 Mar 2024 15:48:11
Good post Ben 100% agree.

15 Mar 2024 15:56:46
A pretty good and fair assessment Ben.

I really liked that DOL had no fear of playing young players .100% trusted them . great for their confidence and it showed hugely on pitch and results.

14 Mar 2024 20:02:15
Interested to have any feedback from posters on their opinions on the STYLE of PLAY of David O'Leary teams 1997 to 2002?

Exciting?
Free flowing?
Attack minded?
Entertaining?
Goal bonanzas?

Yes or no?

Thoughts.

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14 Mar 2024 20:29:06
Great to watch, good style, very naieve and ultimately would lose to the bigger teams.

I think o Leary was useless and threw away a great hand and should of done better.

Certainly enjoyed watching them but buy one less forward as we don’t need five strikers but get a decent left back as Ian heart will cost us goals!

14 Mar 2024 21:05:55
Just to add some BALANCE to very dubious myth/ rhetoric that DOL needed money to do well at Leeds United

1999/ 2000 season Leeds United under DOL finished 3rd behind EPL expensively assembled power teams Man U and Arsenal

plus Leeds United also reached the semi finals of the UEFA cup

They also won 10 games in a row playing scintillating football against EPL and European clubs

All this on a squad assembled on a very modest outlay comparatively speaking with most expensive signing in LUFC squad being Michael Bridges for just a very modest £5 millon!

A modest inexpensive LUFC squad 1999/ 2000
Martyn
Robinson
Duberry
Hiden
Mills
Kelly
Harte
Haaland
Radebe
Woodgate
Batty
McPhail
Bakke
Hopkin
Jones
Bowyer
Huckerby
Kewell
Wilcox
Bridges
Smith.

14 Mar 2024 21:20:14
Sorry Berm but a manager cannot be ' useless ' if he achieves a 3rd place EPL finish and semi final of UEFA cup in 1999/ 2000 with a MODEST INEXPENSIVE team and squad. most expensive player being Michael Bridges at £5 million .

Agree of course with your comments about 'great to watch, good style' .100% correct

Leeds did beat top team Arsenal THREE times under DOL though Berm

Agree also with your final paragraph. Left back was our major achilles heel defensively!

14 Mar 2024 21:53:24
I agree it was only when o Leary had money to spend it went wrong…. Before that when he didn’t spend money things went better so I do agree.

I always judge managers but the hands they are dealt

O Leary had

Martyn, bowyer, radebe which were all Wilko siginings (if only we kept Wilko he’d of won everything! )

Then youth and home grown he had

Kelly, woodgate, smith, kwelle, mcpahial, hearte plus a few others

He also had everything managers need… time and money., so looking back did he do a good job… for me no… he then went on and did awful at other clubs… o don’t rate him in top ten managers at leeds

Had a great hand and played good football but did not win as much as he should of.

14 Mar 2024 22:24:56
If my memory serves me correctly, we started to go downhill in O'Learys days when Brian Kidd left. He was the main man not O'Leary.
Bermo - radebe was useless under Wilko, was George Graham who made him into a world class CB so don't think he would've won everything.

14 Mar 2024 22:30:42
Berm interesting point re Wilko . i luv him . but maybe just maybe after 9 seasons as Leeds manager. he was jaded and way past his very best

And as for expecting Leeds United to win the EPL between 1997 to 2002 . Man U and Arsenal squads were on another level to Leeds United during that era . (even the 2001/ 02 squads) and it showed over 38 matches each time .

It even took Liverpool 30 years to win EPL . it certainly is very difficult to achieve.

14 Mar 2024 22:49:05
True I saw radebe under Wilko and he was a dm and far from great.

I also agree baz maybe Willkie time was up but I do think wilko broiught the players in to re build the team and with youth coming through we might of had a new golden age

We had some gems who for me was wasted under a very poor manager who went on to do nothing

I agree kid was the brains and if only we got Martin Oneil who apparently we was after!

14 Mar 2024 23:37:04
Err ILK and Berm its the exact opposite of what you say re Brian Kidd positive influence on LUFC first team results.

Kidd didn't even join Leeds until summer 2000.and Leeds best season and best football was the season before when Kidd wasnt evenat Leeds

Kidd was Leeds youth coach from Summer 2000 to March 2001 when he was promoted to Head Coach. so his only full season was the disappointing 2001/ 02 season .

Eddie Gray was far better as a Leeds coach during DoL era.

15 Mar 2024 07:32:43
I will take your judgement on that baz as I can’t remember but now you have said that that does make sense.

15 Mar 2024 07:43:09
DoL benefitted from the structure that George Graham put in place, and added a bit of flair. Anything positive he did (yes, it was good to watch, and yes he achieved some good things) was destroyed with losing the plot when given cash, and starting to believe his own hype and media glorification. The release of a pointless book, to make a quick Buck, destroyed any legacy he may have built, at a time when the world could have been his oyster. Did I ever mention that his daughter was amazingly fit tho?

15 Mar 2024 09:09:28
Yeah forgot about that poxy book, think he lost the dressing room with that.

Fit daughter though might redeem him.

Personally o Leary don’t make my top ten managers… if fact I’d possibly place him in bottom ten.

15 Mar 2024 12:51:48
Berm you are funny

I believe there have been 45 Leeds managers in history Berm . not a chance you could name 35 managers who have been better for Leeds United. achieved more .

Try even 10 lol.

15 Mar 2024 15:19:32
My views on o'leary is that he dropped in on a team with good existing players and good talented youngsters coming through.
Unlike a wilko or revie that built a team over a few years oleary was presented with a ready made team.

This is not to say he couldn't of failed we all know managers who have failed with those talents before.
I think oleary being a young manager was just a good fit and brought the team together more with enthusiasm and drive than experience.

So attacking and all action energetic would be my description of his team. Probably over achieved a bit with a youthful squad at times.
He probably got found out as the team got older and had to develope and change.
Him and Ridsdale started to make a few wrong choices in recruitment.
A more experienced manager would have controlled the off the field shenanigans a little better but I did enjoy that era.

14 Mar 2024 17:19:13
Couple of things;
- Gareth Southgate is keeping an eye on Archie, and commented on his performances in his presser today.
- Southampton's rearranged fixtures will see them play 10matches in 36 days. That is some hefty congestion and could put paid to their hopes of automatic places?!

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14 Mar 2024 18:07:54
Is this Southgate trying to head off any potential advances from Scotland national team for Archie to represent them instead .

I wonder also what his grandad Frankie and great uncle Eddie 😍 both fiercely proud loyal Scots would prefer he represents.

14 Mar 2024 18:12:18
Excellent news Brighty re Southamption congestion

And excellent that Leicester are stull distracted by FACup from league.

FACup was always an unecessary distraction for Leeds this season

So much better that Leeds United can focus this weekend on league ( rather than FACup) in beating Berms faves and going to top of table!

14 Mar 2024 18:25:56
He certainly should be looking at him Brighty but it seems he still has his focus firmly on Jordan Henderson - please someone tell me why?
I said it on here a couple of weeks ago, take Gray to the Euros this summer as a learning experience for the lad, then in two years time when he's 20 and the next World Cup is on he will know exactly what a big tournament feels like.
Henderson will be sitting at home with his feet up by then counting his Saudi money (all 6 months worth! ) .
Southgate will, unfortunately, never learn!

14 Mar 2024 20:30:41
To be fair Henderson done well in England shirt and been in good form since going Ajax, rice and bellingham to start as no-brainer but think he Derain has place in the squad but archice can’t be far away from squad.

14 Mar 2024 20:56:52
Baz John McGinn already did that.

Does the Manchester United Squad Size Matter?

14 Mar 2024 07:39:28
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Does the Manchester United Squad Size Matter?

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14 Mar 2024 02:32:01
Tonight's question, why do players now scream in visible anger ( although really it's joy) on scoring a goal - contrast this to Sniffer when scoring in the cup final against the gooners. This is now even somewhat prevalent in the once gentlemanly sport of golf - the pros then wonder and complain because the crowd is becoming more "boisterous ". It all revolves around self importance and ego - what a shame!

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14 Mar 2024 04:41:44
I think it’s because they get a bonus if they score and they are all greedy gits.

14 Mar 2024 09:50:54
Watching Saka at weekend get a knock on his calf from a challenge for ball, was an absolute embarrassment

You would swear Micheal Myers attacked him .


Rugby union players must actually cringe at footballers level of theatrics,

14 Mar 2024 12:29:09
Agree Chris. Any rugby players though. Their bodies take a pounding. U imagine one of them going down with a tap on the ankle. Very weak and embarrassing for footballers. I accept there are some challengers that are unacceptable in football. But 80% are just a nudge nudge here. There a nudge. Here a nudge.
It’s a shame a sport I love has such weak over paid idiots.

14 Mar 2024 13:29:19
Of equal annoyance are the prima Donna individuals who score a three yard tap in then will be seen physically push team mates away from them in order to exert as much adulation as is possible from their very different never been seen before celebration pose!

Sniffer one arm aloft but then jogged back to half way to go again, as he shook the hand of teammates.

Were all individuals…. I’m not spare me these idiots.

14 Mar 2024 14:07:11
Just a release of emotion I guess.

the theatrics after getting a tap are different though they are just after a foul but if things like VAR were applied properly it would be easy to stamp it out.

14 Mar 2024 14:11:10
I think the way to stop players feigning injury is to stop medical staff coming onto the pitch to treat him.

Stretcher the player straight off the pitch to be treated on the touchline. Let's see how injured he really is as the game continues without him.

14 Mar 2024 15:32:33
Hello CC. Nice to see 🙈 you.

14 Mar 2024 17:47:25
I’ve said for years, diving, feigning injury or being a prat should get you a pink card

If issued with pink card you either

Have to play rest of game in sittelltos, can’t be could be opposition or a group of the fans are allowed to kick you in at half time/ full time

Sadly the fa did not pick up on my pink card idea…no idea why.

15 Mar 2024 07:46:49
I sense a pink card petition Bermo! Make it so! I’ll shine ma’ boots for the kickings……🤣🥾🥾🥾.

15 Mar 2024 22:47:25
Hello Blanco pal , took to back seat of forum for most of season now . For no specific reason just tried to stay off phone a bit more

Drop in 1nce or 2wice week now is all lately

Big game approaching.

 


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