Leeds Banter Archive February 08 2016

08 Feb 2016 21:49:47
Funny how nobody picked up on my post about another management sacking and look at what's in the news tonight about MC and Evans
Might be happening soon I think.
Probably an official denial tomorrow but we will see.

08 Feb 2016 22:06:43
1 win in 8, a track record like Cellino's, this is not news.

08 Feb 2016 22:50:43
If I was cellino I'd sack myself.

08 Feb 2016 23:08:38
please stop pretending you are in the know, any one with half a brain could realise that mc with his track record might think about getting rid of SE as we have dropped more than two points in 15 games. want to be thought of as the orical let us know who will be boss next. also loads of people have said se might be going we must all be able to see into the future or have an inside track.

09 Feb 2016 07:16:46
Spot on BW. More self praise from Jeff for a prediction that is most probably on the cards, followed by a potential back down.

I tell you what BW, tomorrow will be Wednesday. This will happen sooner than you think. That is unless the club try and cover it up and say it's actually Thursday.

Off to create another log in now and agree with myself - someone's got to!

MM.

09 Feb 2016 08:50:31
Mick you should call your new profile, 'the muck is back'

09 Feb 2016 10:13:25
Hey up boys Tried to say to Jeff to be straight and less cryptic but clearly doesn’t listen to friendly advice, he is either arrogant or aloof or maybe both, or he just likes to see us bite after his posts, which we all do, it probably amuses him 😂 good old Jeff, Well I predict our next match will be moved again due to Sky! 😂 doh! 😂 😎.

09 Feb 2016 11:05:03
Jeff, please refrain from this abstract, cryptic nonsense. There maybe news of a player with an a in his name, coming or leaving Elland Road. This week or could be next week. Don't come on here stating you were right in a month's time when everyone has forgotten about it. If there is nothing mentioned today concerning Evan's position, we can assume you have made this up.

09 Feb 2016 15:29:26
MM that post really made me laugh. now at the risk of sounding bit like jeff I have inside knowledge that we are not aiming to get promoted this season and next seasons home kit will in fact be white. also the full moon rasing on urans suggests a massive binged drink sesson in spoons and a spouses sister may be more open to intercourse than you may of once thought.

09 Feb 2016 18:18:54
You're sticking your neck out there a bit BW with the kit prediction, so I guess you must be in the know!

I'm not really into astrology but I'll give it a whirl if you think it could help my cause. Time to get my shell suit drenched in Hai Karate aftershave and down the old battle cruiser to chance my arm with Mrs Mick's sister. You never know she might be bladdered and let me t*t her up for a pint of cider!

MM.

08 Feb 2016 18:18:31
Paul Clement's gone now .,

08 Feb 2016 18:24:51
Strange things I have seen .

08 Feb 2016 18:44:49
Check out the bs reason for his departure.

08 Feb 2016 19:00:11
Madness who would be a manager.

08 Feb 2016 19:02:19
Bet they don't get half as much abuse as we do for sacking managers.

08 Feb 2016 21:07:43
Wex, I'd be a manager. Sign a long term deal, perform poorly then after a few months get sacked with my contract paid up!

08 Feb 2016 21:45:20
I think there maybe a position for you in Manchester next season,Lucas. If I could offer some expert advice. The goalkeeper is rubbish, better to stick Rooney in goal. There's a defender who is really good at going foward. His name is Wootton, a cheeky £10 million bid should secure his services. Good luck.

08 Feb 2016 16:40:38
Enjoying the posts lot of sense being talked and have to agree with BW we are not a big club at the minute and hardly attractive to potential buyers. A lot of us who remember the past glories see us as a big club but we were a selling club for many years. Gates of 23,000 make us an average club, good for this division but not big. Our cup match against Rotherham should have been a sell out, it was not which shows that some of the fans passion has gone. Buyers look at assets, nil, and bums on seats not many are going to spend big for a slice of history. Afraid only time money men will look at club will be if we get to premiership. Sadly think Cellino has lost the passion to get us there soon. Think he know sees us a business, not a dream and will be happy to turn us into a profitable business wether its in the championship or premiership. I do not blame him for this because the abuse he received from some "supporters", remember it drove his family from the city, and flak from media I am surprised he has not sold everyone and gone home.
We had the chance to get behind an owner and we went the other way. The crap he got over Redfearn was unbelievable, our Messiah etc.
The only chance we have now is if Parkin gets on board in summer, we identify a manager, evans or not, that will take us through the next two seasons and back him financially, if that means selling certain players to get the right ones in so be it.
Think some of us need to face reality, we were a big club, not anymore.
Prior to this season I got more enjoyment out of watching the U21s and U19s play. We all know what players we need in, club is trying to sign some but don't think it will make a difference this season. We won't be spending millions on players or paying 20 grand a week but that won't be a reason for not getting promoted. Its everyone working together for LUFC that will get us up and we have not had that for a long while.

08 Feb 2016 17:10:47
23,000 still isn't bad after been out of the Premiership 12 years and all the crap we've had to put up with, and that's without even challenging the top 6 let alone top 2, they wouldn't be 23,000 average BIGE if we were in the top 2, the passion is still there in the fans but they need to see intent if that happened a sleeping giant would be awoken.

08 Feb 2016 17:28:15
love the post bige and have to agree. 23,00 is not bad but is also not great and when you consider debt it makes us not a obvious investment. I think at the moment we have gone past sleeping giant and are more a mountian of debt. I really do not think some 'fans' realise how lucky we are to have MC and made it worse by giving him stick rather than showing him love to further his passion which I think has gone. Great post Bige how did two people disagree? on what grounds or logic?

08 Feb 2016 17:38:58
Good post BIGE. I agree, we are not a big club anymore. An entire generation of fans are missing and have grown up wearing premier league shirts. It will take time to build that again and it won't happen overnight.

MM.

08 Feb 2016 17:48:16
Quite easy BW. Although I agree with some of what Bige is saying. It is quite obvious that it is the lack of ambition shown by the club the past few years (not just Cellino) that is the real problem, not apathy from the fans. If any other club had been abused by owners, called morons, being lied to or subject to a pie tax, they would be lucky to get half our crowds. People cannot use the argument that because Cellino was shouted at negativity that he can be excused or give that as an excuse as to why he is underfunding the club. Paying off the numerous ex - coaches that he alone chose, is one of the reasons we can't afford to spend money on players. He's the owner of the club. It's in his interest to see us succeed. If not, he won't get the money back he has loaned to us.

08 Feb 2016 18:09:08
deda I make you right about the lack of ambition shown before MC got here. Again we should of gone out of business and leeds united should be that club that use to exsit but now doesn't. I agree with MM as I normally do that it won't happen over night.

i don't agree with your statement about MC excusing what has happened. If I brought a club that was in a big massive and pit, and I tried to do right to get abused by fans I would not be inclind to put more money in, to risk more of my own wealth chasing a dream that might not happen (look at derby) . I would rather pull in a slight profit by making the people who abused me pay a pie tax or put up ticket prices.

he owns the club so is intitled to do as he wishes. We know from his time at past club he is passionate, loyal and successful if he also is crazy and says things he shouldn't. however in leeds he bite off a lot and I think some of the fans stance has caused a reaction from MC and no one can blame him for that. If I borught a club that I wasn't a fan of and the fans turned on me I would rather steady bit of profit than go for broke making their dreams come through. Can you not see the logic in this, where this is coming from and maybe agree now?

08 Feb 2016 18:16:31
DEDA he does not have to invest to get money back, we have the second best academy official we could turn him into Bates 2 and he can sell everyone.

08 Feb 2016 18:26:03
Good post Bige, and yes I agree .
After the big crash followed by Bates and then gfh it's surprising we are still going .
I still find it amazing that Bates was allowed to remain owner of the club after the administration farce, and then allowed to sell to gfh .
It is down to gfh that are loses were excessive and we had a transfer embargo .
Despite what anyone writes are p/ l HAVE NOT been announced as yet so we do not know how well M C has or has not been able to turn around the clubs finances .
From the off he should have gone for proven championship players but then again had his tactics have worked we all would be singing his praises .
I do not like the way he treats people and makes comments in the media, and wish Pearson was still at Leeds but let's see what are end of year figures are .
A number of are playing a dangerous game with there spending and if they miss promotion it could be very interesting .

08 Feb 2016 18:55:33
Agreed bige the Massimo out brigade should be careful what they wish for. And take a good look at themselves you'd swear big investors were lining up to put us back in the champions league.

08 Feb 2016 19:06:09
Cellino took on Caligari when they were in the top 5 in Serie A and in the UEFA cup semi final and managed to make them a bottom half club that suffered at least 3 relegations in his tenure whilst reducing attendances to 5000. Not sure this represents success BW.

08 Feb 2016 19:24:00
Great post BIGE you are bang on with your comments, your opinion appears to be backed from Evans comments regarding the need to cut the wage bill. The current wage structure is purely down to Cellino as none of the current players were in the team/ squad when he bought the club, these are his players and it is with great interest I read Evans comments in today's YEP. If Evans think he has been a sufficient to get us in contention he is rather worryingly deluded.

08 Feb 2016 19:32:36
if you double check notts, when MC took over they just got promoted to seira A and had to relegation fight seasons, then mc took over and they started to compete for euro places before going back down league, after he left they got religated and struggled. Calgria are a small team who historicly are not very good. many consider the period that MC was in charge to be the golden age of calgari's history. Kind of the revie era at leeds in comparison. no one can argue they over performed with him there and have done worse since he left.

08 Feb 2016 20:01:47
So wrong Notts did you get that info from mirror.

08 Feb 2016 20:03:09
And the ground only held 5,000 so sell out every week eh notts.

08 Feb 2016 20:17:46
Took over 1991/ 92, achieved 6th place following season, relegated in 1996/ 97 season. Admit being wrong to 6th place finish under Cellino tenure but still don't see relegation 5 years later as success.

08 Feb 2016 21:14:09
overall picture notts they went back up and stayed up till he left. ask the fans MC looked over their golden age, bit like some itialian saying revie wasnt our best manager because we lost a cup final to sunderland. Overall MC was the most successful chairman and this was their best period. This really is not up for debate this really is FACT so FACT.

08 Feb 2016 21:38:25
Fair enough BW you are right on this occasion but we define success in different ways. I will not be contributing to your shrine to Cellino though, I do not think he continues to be good for the club FACT.

08 Feb 2016 23:11:58
to shay notts you used FACT and in capitals so in the rules of survoroir we must respect that and take it as what it is a FACT.

08 Feb 2016 14:04:49
Interesting article in the YEP where Evans admits summer purge of wage bill needed. Admittedly we do have too many midfielders who are not in contention for the match day squad and it would benefit us from moving them on however here lays the problem. What players are prepared to move on if it means cutting their wages? I do not believe that we have them queuing around the corner for the majority of our squad players (apart from the youngsters) . Reading between the lines of the article it suggests a one in one out policy will be again in force. I am still not convinced that the club will splash the cash or bring in quality as this costs money. There has already been a cull on the high wage earners i. e. Morrison, Warnock, Sharp therefore if the wage is too big it may take two or three departures to support a quality signing. Do we have the depth of squad to lose 2 to 3 players to bring in one?

08 Feb 2016 14:10:43
I think the players brought in by GFH would have big contracts ie Murphy and Wootton, then there's the likes of Bianchi, Antenucci, Sloth, who will move on in the summer. Probably won't make the money back on Murphy and Wootton (£1m each) , but if we could offload them, then it would free up wages to be spent on good players.

08 Feb 2016 15:20:47
Murphy took a wage cut in turn for a contract extension. I believe the Cellino signings were moderate salaries that are heavily incentivised. Wootton might be on a decent wage.

08 Feb 2016 16:23:13
I think it just may be the case that so many of the so -called first team squad on first team squad money have spent all season playing u21 .
I know we can only field 11 players but with so many games a bit of rotation maybe we would not have this current one good game one bad game .

08 feb 2016 17:37:34
wooton won't go anywhere while evans is in charge.

08 Feb 2016 13:25:23
I feel like the Leeds team at the moment. Plenty of possession (can't get rid of her) but a serious lack of penetration!

MM.

08 Feb 2016 17:18:51
Try our defence Mick i'm sure you'll get better penetration there lol.

08 Feb 2016 18:46:14
Is Leeds twinned with a sister city? Sounds like that's what you need MM.

08 Feb 2016 11:30:26
I hope Cellino knows that ffp goes to 3 years from next season. That means we could spend £20m in year one, if it doesn't work then keep the squad and add a further £5m in year two, if that doesn't work, then don't spend a penny in year 3, but keep the same side together. If we fail to go up after 3 years, then repeat the cycle. I presume most clubs will be going for it in year 1, so we have to spend. I'm not saying Ridsdale-esque overspending, but buy players who take us to the next level in key positions, not average players for the sake of it.

08 Feb 2016 12:31:06
i'm sure he knows the rules and idea although not sure that really works in theory as seems to be a massive loop hole which makes the whole ffp even more rediculas than it really is. however I think the bigger problem might be spending 20 mill of own money on a club where a lot of the fans hate him and want him out. if I was MC I would be hard push to spend a score let alone 20 mill, finally at this level 20 mill plus five the next year does seem a little like ridsdale-esque over spending. I do agree with your earlier post about grayson if evans goes (which looks like it might be a good idea although I like him) grayson or monk would look like good choices.

08 Feb 2016 14:12:12
Maybe not £20m in year one, but £10-15m would be good and they have to be players that will improve the team, not just average Championship or League 1 players. Look at Derby, they've spent £30m on average players and are worse off than they were 2 years ago.