Leeds Banter Archive August 08 2011

08 Aug 2011 21:12:18
Keep the faith be united Leeds united MOT

08 Aug 2011 19:24:59
Can't we get new coaches? Obviously not doing a good job, why not get Lucas in as defensive coach?

I reckon the chief should get his boots on he could do a better job than obrien.

Lucas has been asked to coach a number of times, but he prefers to spend his time doing charity work. fair do's to him.

08 Aug 2011 18:03:24
Simon Grayson is not the problem ... Bates is... End of story... I think simon is doing a great job with the £££ he has... {Ed025's Note - i agree mate.

Keep drinking lads the more you drink the better the manager the puppet is

Thanks Ed... Glad some people do see sense.. 1 game in and it's all doom and gloom.. I personally think we did better than we should have last season.. I'd be happy mid table this season.. Prem is too predictable now anyway..

It's not 1 game is it it's over 3 years and 114 league goals in 2 seasons

SG is more at fault than KB sorry to say but its true

08 Aug 2011 17:41:22
i'd love to hear a detailed, rational reason from the ****ends calling for Grayson to be sacked. i love this club, but damn some of its supporters are silly.

Reasons why it's time for SG to go.
1. one things for sure though a quality manager would have targeted suitable individuals capable of improving our squad who would fit into our wage structure.
2. He said the team didn't follow the plan of what they were supposed to do in the Southampton game. He's the manager it's his job to make sure they carry out that plan.
3. He has failed to address the most obvious weakness in the Leeds team. Every single Leeds supporter would have told you at the end of last season that we needed to bring in people in defence & get cover for Becchio & Somma. The problem has not been fixed and the players in these areas, just aren't good enough.
4. If he believes his defence are good enough but they are not doing it on the pitch then he must believe it is the fault of the Defence coach, yet he has done nothing about it. 114 league goals conceded in 2 seasons
5.There are some good managers out there available: Dave Jones, Billy Davis Gus Poyet Ray Wilkins. There are also a couple of good Managers who would find it hard not to come back to Leeds and we the fans would love them back too. Gus Poyet or John Sheridan.
6. He makes inconsistent statements about our club that give false hope and aspirations
7. He is stunting development of our youth players and not given them suitable playing time and given then the chance to shine White being prime example
8. His comments about ex players in the media do nothing for respect or harmony for our club
9. I don't recall SG making a positive tactical change during any match in all the time that he has been at leeds.
10. Tactically clueless 4-5-1 against saints that was never going to work picking unfit players O'brien, Snodgrass leaving Nunez in the call again picking O'dea he only met the team on friday had half a training session DF is about organisation then SG throws in o'brien, o'dea in the mix you could also say lonergan to that as he didn't have a full pre season.
11. Why so many average players in the squad that need to go Bessone, connolly, paynter, bromby SG needs to sell if he did that He would have money in the agreed budget that he has with KB

I'm not a hater of SG. I think he's a great guy. I just don't think he is good enough

'9. I don't recall SG making a positive tactical change during any match in all the time that he has been at leeds.'

Beckford being made captain v bristol r
Howson coming on and equalising v bristol r
Becchio coming on v bristol c scoring hattrick after being 1-0 down
Somma coming on and scoring how many goals v Millwall, Norwich... to name a few

08 Aug 2011 17:21:43
5th signing. Possibly Mendy?

Can't be Mendy. Thom Kirwin said that 'a deal had been agreed between clubs'. Mendy was a trialist and didn't have a club so it can't be him. I wouldn't mind him being signed though, seemed to have a good pre season

08 Aug 2011 14:53:54
i hope KB sacks SG soon that will give a manager time to bring in players and get rid of the grayson average lg1 players that we have.

Only hope is that next manager has character and can actually coach the players unlike SG

Why dont you just grow up u obviously dont realise what the man has done for us also if we bring in a new manager he will be afta similar players because of the funds available do you really think if grayson had money to spend and a decent wage bill he would be lookin at the players he is.

He our manager an thats fact so this just show him and the players the support they need.

If it's broke, but you can't afford to fix it, you make do til you can.

'if it's broke' i'm glad you accept that it's broke under SG

08 Aug 2011 14:30:58
Just thought I would give you my match report for saturday. Please let me know your thoughts.

Lonergan - Made some good saves, not much he could do about the goals but in general it was a half decent performance

Connolly - struggled as always. everytime he gets forward he gets caught out of position. no pace at all. Only thing he seemed useful for was taking a throw in.

O'Brien - the less said about him the better. IMO at fault for the first 2 goals. No closing down and turned his back on his opponent.

Kisnorbo - Great to see him back in a Leeds shirt. although I think he committed himself too early on a few challenges.

O'Dea - his name said it all. not a good debut. However has only been with the squad a short time so let's give him a chance.

Snoddy - couldn't get going. could see the class he has at time however I think he looked unfit and didn't seem as though he was giving his best

Clayton - IMO good game. didn't shy a tackle, showed his passing ability and won us a penalty. Was quite impressed

Brown - didn't rate the performance at all. Diving into silly tackles and couldn't pass the ball.

Howson - MR LUFC. Felt sorry for him, as usual gave his all but there is no I in TEAM.

Gradel - Again couldn't get going got frustrated easily and went off his game. Glad to see him put the penalty away, it may have eased his frustration.

McCormack - looked lively enough but playing as a lone striker is so hard. not got the height or strength requierd to be a target man. 4-4-2 with Paynter may have been a more successful combo earlier in the game.

Nunez - looked lively when he came on, had a decent shot towards goal. Wasn't allowed enough time to make an impact.

Paynter - had the chance to make an immediate impact. got into a good position. opened his body up to early for the shot, the keeper knew where he was going to put the ball and made a good save. Better luck next time Billy I have faith. Non-existant for the remainder of the game

Sam - didn't get much time but had one or two decent touches.

Come on you Whites I will be present at the Bradford game and we need some goals and some confidence MOT.

Match prediction for Tuesday 4-0 to the LEEDS Paynter to score

That is spot on my friend. Thought he shouldve introduced Nunez and sam a bit earlier. But never mind we lost to Derby 2-1 at home last year an finished seventh so come on Leeds

True we did. Onwards and upwards. MOT

Agree with almost all of the original post except you were very soft on Snod & Billy - one looked unfit and as if he would much rather be playing elsewhere and the other is way out of his depth in CCC {Ed003's Note -NPC}

Just thought I would thank you for such a deep and though out match report but you really should have saved yourself some time and just said what we all thought, s**t

Rather than call the team I love s**t like most of you part time supporters. I have tried taking the positives out of a poor performance..MOT

08 Aug 2011 13:44:18
what happpended to the mikkell forsseell link?

Wan't ever on in 1st place jus like many other post

08 Aug 2011 13:11:06
Can i just remind everyone at the start of last season we lost 2-1 at home to a poor Derby which is better than losing away to a Southampton side still on a high, also to the people wanting Grayson sacked get a grip and f*** off, go support Scumchester or the Arswipes.

Is that your comment ok very clever we will change our team after 26 years we have a right to say our opinion why are some sg fans so rude and angry

ILL SAY WHAT I WANT AS I PAY ENOUGH TO WATCH.WE WERE CRAP AND UNLESS WE SPEND ON EXPERIENCE WE WILL BE IN A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION,CROWDS WILL DWINDLE EVEN MORE AND WE WILL BE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.STOP BEEN A CLEVER person AND OPEN YOUR EYES

My eyes are open like the cap letters lol, SG is the problem, if someone wanted leeds who had the money then a deal would be done it hasn't so there isn't a buyer so pointless talking about bates SG on the other hand plenty of better more exp and skilled managers to solve the mess which in tern will solve your dwindling crowd worries you should consider not supporting anyone with your comments that you make

SG is not the problem. A good young coach. Astute, talented, loyal with a good track record thus far in management. He is also a Leeds fan and cares. He needs more backing from the bearded wonder. If he fails then, by all means judge him. But I don't think he would fail with requisite backing. All that sacking a manager at the moment would achieve is to create instability, new manager would want his own players/ change the way of playing etc. Back to square one and certainly a year of transition. Not a good idea.

Being leeds fan doesn't by right make you a good coach clearly he isn't astute or talented given how we struggled to get out of lg1 under him last season finnish was dire, he releases stupid press comments about the club he cares about. SG has great backing he has more than Neil Warnock @QPR he got to the premier lg SG is the problem he needs to go as for creating instability thats what we have now, open your eyes look at the squad that SG has built players that should have been sold last year still at our club why SG is blind to see the fact he is so reliant on the loan system his wgae bill is stretched by having 8 rubbish defenders on the books get rid free your money up, learn to coach before you take my club to lg1

08 Aug 2011 12:31:53
Reasons why it's time for SG to go.
1. Bates might be the reason for us not getting quality players in because of the wage structure he might not, who knows - one things for sure though a quality manager would have targeted suitable individuals capable of improving our squad who would fit into our wage structure.
2. He said the team didn't follow the plan of what they were supposed to do in the Southampton game. He's the manager it's his job to make sure they carry out that plan.
3. He has failed to address the most obvious weakness in the Leeds team. Every single Leeds supporter would have told you at the end of last season that we needed to bring in people in defence & get cover for Becchio & Somma. The problem has not been fixed and the players in these areas, just aren't good enough.
4. If he believes his defence are good enough but they are not doing it on the pitch then he must believe it is the fault of the Defence coach, yet he has done nothing about it.
5.There are some good managers out there available: Dave Jones, Billy Davis & old favourite Gordan Strachan for instance. There are also a couple of good Managers who would find it hard not to come back to Leeds and we the fans would love them back too. Gus Poyet or John Sheridan.

I'm not a hater of SG. I think he's a great guy and he clearly loves Leeds. I just don't think him and his team are quite good enough.

Agree with your points that you have listed including sg being nice guy

08 Aug 2011 12:22:37
If anything, I feel very sorry for SG. What can he do if Bates has a wage structure which won't allow decent players to come to the club? He can only work with what he has. The incoming 'Lonergan' was probably the best of a 'bad bunch' in terms of what wages would allow....

Bates will be looking at business first, LUFC second. I'm not gonna say he should go 'quite yet', and hopefully, the Southampton result will make Bates give SG a little more leeway, and compromise on bringing at least some better players in.

I don't agree with breaking the bank for players. There are plenty of decent, experienced players, who would take a lower wage to play for Leeds, so that shouldn't be an issue. But, we should make players feel that 'WE WANT THEM', not just that 'THEY SHOULD WANT LEEDS'. I do however, think that paying good money for young, hungry players can only be a good thing. They can only improve, and wages shouldn't be an issue with someone who wants to further their career.

And I do now also feel sorry for Bradford City tomorrow night. There will UNDOUBTEDLY be a response to Saturday, and with some of the big guns away, hopefully fringe players will show their hunger at wanting to wear the shirt. We will easily beat Bradford, but we MUST carry that form into the next game against Boro, not just think we're on 'easy street' again

08 Aug 2011 11:47:12
WHY ARE YOU POSTING RUMOURS ABOUT GRAYSON GETTING THE SACK? we've lost one match , its not the end of the world we'll beat bradford tomorrow night and go on from there... some leeds fans need to put there hatred for bates aside and get behind the gaffer, MOT

Because we wish for SG to be sacked it's clear

08 Aug 2011 11:36:17
There seems to be an element of naivety amongst fans here when looking to appoint blame.

Bates and the board are responsible for setting out budgets and money. Grayson is in charge if pitch level business, he doesn't decide who he wants and at what price. His business is determined by what bates and the board is willing to give him which explains why Grayson seems to choose poor loans and freebies. He might have the best win rate i recent times, but this was in league one and early stages of championship when the team was on z high. Budget freebies and mediocre loans ate good for league one and establishing z foot hold in the CCC, however to push for top flight you have to speculate to accumulate, show ambition and a drive. If the board have no ambition this cascades down to the manager and then to the players. Can you honestly think that 100% of that Leeds team can see us challenging for promotion when they look at the strength of teams in that league not to mention the pundits who haven't even put us in play off contention.

That lack of ambition was so evident on Saturday. Lack lustre Leeds side made up of individuals, not a team. The back four played like they had never met each other. Snodgrass couldn't string on run and not once tried to take on his opposite number, he was elsewhere. Brown played like a thug who couldn't care less about the other ten men and poor johnny was sat in no mans land with no option but to drop deeper leaving the striker (with less than about 3 professional games to his name) to run around like a headless chicken. Meanwhile the most promising Pre-season players all sat on the bench wondering why they had even bothered to turn it on Pre-season when the half arsed attitude displayed by snodgrass and brown getsyou s starting call up

It's the start of the league and we are still trualing players. Players that to bd honest are s**te really because if they were any good they wouldn't need a trial. We have a world class youth system that's turning no youth out of any quality or perhaps that's just another one Graysons poor points in that he continues to choose the same players. He talks about competition for places but do you think snodgrass feels he has to compete when he can sit most Pre-season games and just walk into the side??

Let's talk about Grayson. I haven't any football manager experience, but even I can see like most where we are lacking. Grayson has even said it himself, but yet what's he done about it? Your not telling me that he wouldn't like upson, Carew, and all the other greT championship players that have moved in Pre-season. Thing is he can't have then can he, because as I started out with my post he has been told by bates what he can have which is anything free or extremely cheap with no big wages. That clubs more than solvent now and capable of attracting decent players with championship wages, but bates is a stubborn and ignorant old man. Grayson has his hands completely tied choosing free transfers that will come for peanuts. Brown didn't look at our club and think of it's illustrious history and fan base, hd merely saw an opportunity to play football after spending six months out.

The problems start at bates and cascade down to pitch level. He whole structure from board to bench needs sorting out. Is Grayson a good manager?

Actually Grayson DOES decide who he WANTS to sign. He gives a list of potential targets to bates and they then discuss what is possible within the budget constraints imposed by KB. This has been stated by SG himself in interviews prior to the end of last season. In fact he drew up two lists dependent on whether or not we went up

Very good and true post I agree with all points

Grayson not a manger or a coach sack him

Grayson not a manger or a coach sack him

I think if you re- read this post you will find that my point was that Grayson probably does have an idea who he wants, however the constraints put on him by the board mean he can't have who he wants and has to sign s**te like brown, o'dea and any other journey man that will play for peanuts. It's never in doubt that Grayson probably dies give a list of players and you don't have to be a world class manager to see who is quality. I am sure jewelley, mclaren, Sven, allardyce and grayson were all after the same players, but at the end of the day we lost out because our board and bates provided no competitive alternative. I don't think Grayson is that poor that he can't see quality, I just think his hands are totally tied

Bates out

08 Aug 2011 11:30:54
All the SH1T comin outta ER, yet NO one has yet apologised, they owe us that much, instead of ravin how good your squad is (though it is lacking in every area) larry, bloody apologies, o'dea (firstly please go back to celtic you no talent fool) but no excuses "i've only been with the squad 1 day" so bloody what you are a professional footballer, you should be able to do the basics.
Snodgrass just go, you need heart at LEEDS and you ain't got it boy, hope scotland get hammered, CLUB B4 COUNTRY Gradel keep fighting mate, you'll be sold soon, Howson sorry you have to play in that squad, BATES JUST f*** OFF

What a silly post really silly grow up sg out new manger in problems will be solved

Silly, no silly would be sacking Larry without removing bates, cos the next manager with be in the same position, agree sg aint good enough but the route of the main issue, ie poor playing staff, is down to bates. By the way you got no ironing to do?

Removing bates I suggest if you want that to happen you find a billionaire that wants to by leeds unitll you do that he owns us so he's the man, it's funny fergie does alright with carp chairman / directors SG cant coach thats the problem

Another really silly post ironing what t**ser

Well if you have doing the ironing, isn't there some washing up needs doing?

08 Aug 2011 11:17:34
here we go with leeds united, WE'RE GONNA GIVE THE BOYS A HAND STAND UP AND SING FOR LEEDS UNITED, THEY ARE THEY GREATEST IN THE LAND..

everyday we're all gonna say WE LOVE YOU LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS. EVERYWHERE WE'RE GONNA BE THERE, WE LOVE YOU LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS MARCHING ON TOGETHER we're gonna see you win...WE ARE SO PROUD WE SHOUT IT OUT LOUD WE LOVE YOU LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS

we've been through it all together AND WE'VE HAD OUR UPS AND DOWNS...WE'RE GONNA STAY WITH YOU FOREVER, at least until the world stops going round...

everyday we're all gonna say WE LOVE YOU LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS. EVERYWHERE WE'RE GONNA BE THERE, WE LOVE YOU LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS MARCHING ON TOGETHER we're gonna see you win...WE ARE SO PROUD WE SHOUT IT OUT LOUD WE LOVE YOU LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS

Just thought I would remind you all...

Enough said

What is you point pal that you know Mot top of the class

Clever one you are arent you? Read the f-ing capital parts you dunce Seems like people on here forget this kn*b jockey

08 Aug 2011 11:12:03
If anything, I feel very sorry for SG. What can he do if Bates has a wage structure which won't allow decent players to come to the club? He can only work with what he has. The incoming 'Lonergan' was probably the best of a 'bad bunch' in terms of what wages would allow....

Bates will be looking at business first, LUFC second. I'm not gonna say he should go 'quite yet', and hopefully, the Southampton result will make Bates give in to SG, and compromise on bringing at least some better players in. There are plenty available, but we must show that 'WE WANT THEM', not that 'THEY SHOULD WANT LEEDS'

I don't agree with breaking the bank for players. There are plenty of decent, experienced players, who would take a lower wage to play for Leeds, so that shouldn't be an issue.

And I do now also feel sorry for Bradford City tomorrow night. There will UNDOUBTEDLY be a response to Saturday, and with some of the big guns away, hopefully fringe players will show their hunger at wanting to wear the shirt. We will easily beat Bradford, but we MUST carry that form into the next game against Boro, not just think we're on 'easy street again

Why feel sorry for SG?as you rightly say,there are plenty of experienced players out there who would love to play for Leeds,so why isnt he signing em,cos hes stubbornly sticking with the crap HES brought in,our defence has been a joke for over a year yet absolutely nothings been done to improve it,ALL successful teams have a solid defence,we need to build from the back,when fit our attack is a match for anyone,but until theyre back,we need cover better than what we have now,or we will be too far behind the pacesetters to catch up,get your finger out Grayson.

08 Aug 2011 11:05:52
I hate the way Bates is so cocky on Twitter. Claims he is the 'saviour of Leeds'...The man is a disgrace. We NEED a striker until Becchio and Somma are fit. The partnership between Howson and McCormack was the main of many weaknesses against Saints. Outplayed by a newly promoted team is embarrassing. Sort it out Bates.

He 'saved' us by taking us into administration £35m in debt.

I think you find grayson manges the team not bates sort it grayson

I love bates on twit he's great

Bates is great on twitter love how people hate him he makes me smile

Bates is my hero

Ken bates leeds legend for ever i for 1 hope that he builds a statue of himself

08 Aug 2011 10:19:43
Leeds should sack grayson, Ian Miller, Andy Beasley, and Glyn Snodin time for a big sake up should have happened end of last season I said as much on here I was shot down then, you guys might listen this time

No you will just get shot down again, what you want grayson sacked for? promotion in his first full season? beat scum at their ground, nearly beat arsenal, liverpool and spurs in cups, 7th in championship, the double over the championship winners which no other team did, call yourself a leeds fan?

He hasn't delivered on anything always living on his cup run, it's easy for players to play and be motivated in the cup against the top current teams that means nothing and he needed to deliver playoffs min last season and we should have been closer to Norwich in lg1

08 Aug 2011 09:49:34
I think it would be a good idea to get John Parkin in on loan until Becchio is fit again. Big, strong and can score goals. He can act as an arial target and McCormack and possibly Nunez/Howson could all feed of him.

McCormack Parkin
Gradel (Howson/Nunez) (Snodgrass/Sam)
Brown

Parkin is defo not the answer

Why do you leeds fans want to play long ball football? it's crap you can pass the ball on the deck you know

You have no clue about football what so ever, im form south wales and a lot of people come in my mams club are Cardiff fans an they cant stand him

I understand this slightly. It'd give us a bit more aerial presence from corners and set pieces, and when defending them. BUT, no for playing the long ball....

08 Aug 2011 09:23:18
Just read the YEP SG is now defending his squad after he rejected claims that his team and squad lack the basic strength required to guide Leeds United into the Premier League. SG said

“The result’s obviously disappointing but it’s not going to lead to any crisis talks or anything like that. Equally, it hasn’t change my feeling that we still need a couple of players.

“Based on that performance you’d think that we’re not going to be good enough, but I know what these players are capable of. They’re good enough to make an impact in this division and they’re an excellent group to work with. We’ll have more highs than lows this season, that’s for sure.

“I’m surprised by how we played because against Newcastle last weekend (in a friendly at Elland Road) we had energy, purpose, passion and desire. Against Southampton we had none of that. Fair play to Southampton because they looked far better than we did. It might be that we can’t get any worse.”

SG is absolutly clueless he needs to go kb get him sacked asap he just doens't have the skills needed to sort or our troubles the squad he has built is crap and he can't coach the crapness out of the players so he needs to go

How many times in the second half of all the seasons Grayson has been in charge have we heard this speech about Grayson being "surprised" with his squad and describing them as a group of "talented" players who he knows can do "alot" better. If that's the case then who is at fault for not getting the best both tactically and professionally out of the players. I am sick of hearing "what we are capable of. I wanna see it in action Grayson and I sm sorry this preseason hasn't shown me it on the transfer Market and the first game has proved that.

If your boss gave you £20 and told you to go out and buy him a mansion would it be fair if he then sacked you because you couldn't do it?

If Bates wont give him the funds for signings or wages how can the manager be blamed for the squad?

Yes because i could go to bulgaria and buy 1, swansea was bought for £1 9 years ago look at them now local business chipped in £50k each

08 Aug 2011 09:12:58
Just heard Bates has struck a new deal with Recycle uk to take the old dead donkeys off there hands or should that be FREECYCLE ...cast offs, hasbeans also rans thats us a laughing stock ...

08 Aug 2011 08:35:19
Give youth a chance...better then the cr*p we have coming in on loan, or over age players that cannot hack it anymore. Would much rather see Lees at CB, Parker at LB with White in front of him.

Parker is tripe, give white a go

I agree leeds should have built this season with a view for next bromby, bessone, connolly, brown, paynter should all be sent packing leeds would fin mid table at worst with the kids

Our best young players have already been snapped up or sold. Parker has a terrible injury record and has never really performed. Lees has never played above L2 level. Aidy might do better but surely Gradel is ahead of him. I'd like to think that all 3 could play a part but they are probably no more than back up player standard at the minute.

Parker? the guy who cant defend,no pace,and always injured,get real,we need 2 new quality full backs,a midfield with some bite and 2 strikers,without all the goals we got last year,and a defence like ours,we will struggle,Graysons stubborn faith in some players is alarming,hes just stated he has faith in the squad,hes the only one that has,we need the pride and the passion back,the fans were magnificent at Saints,pity the same cant be said about the performance.

Parker is absolute rubbish.

Parker is carp but leeds have other younf players they could use white Lees being 2

08 Aug 2011 04:52:47
Bates Or Ridsdale? One f***ed our Club, the other is in the process of f***ing it

Get back on your xbox, your an idiot, Ridsdale f**ked us over when he got us in 70m debt, Bates has revived us, we are one of few clubs that are debt free and he wants to keep us there.

To all the Bates haters, GET A GRIP. {Ed001's Note - Leeds are not debt free, where do you get that nonsense from? You still have a CVA, that is a debt.}

Bates doesnt buy the players,Grayson does,many other sides also fetch in freebies and loan players with better success than us,any other manager would have got shut of the likes of Paynter,Parker etc,We need a manager who can see what the fans see,that this current crop of players just aint up to the job,we need change NOW.

ED a CVA is not classed debt get your facts right {Ed001's Note - ask someone for credit with a CVA then.}

What has bates done that was for Leeds, nothing everything he has done is to make himself richer, either now or in the future. All you bates lovers, we went into administration under bates, relegated to div 1 under bates, had god knows how many diff managers, you deluded we got up to championship be luck, we nearly blew it, can you say your arse wasn't twitching towards the end of that season Remind me how many points clear where we at xmas Maybe you should get an xbox. Deluded fool.

Ed you can still get credit with a CVA, granted it can be more problematic as a CVA lowers the companies credit rating but this doesn't legally stop leeds gaining credit or people given leeds credit, and since leeds CVA was gained in July 2007 leeds have been in business for over 3 years since then meaning credit ratings will be higher particularly after the possitive company accounts that have been filed with companies house.
Your anti bates agenda is so clear and it taints all your comments

08 Aug 2011 00:24:57
We need the Lucas to come be are defensive coach

Batty too to coach the midfield and defence and get them to grow a pair.