Leeds Banter Archive April 07 2014

07 Apr 2014 23:05:54
I'm glad that, finally, we have some sort of stability in the club. However, I don't think that BMcD deserves the amount of stick he is getting. Put yourself in the position of a Floor Manager in a production factory and with targets to achieve. There is bunch of cretins on your Board of Directors who haven't got an arse in their trousers, and the staff that you are supposed to motivate aren't getting paid. I'm not staying he shoud stay, I just feel that Papa Smurf and his GFH front men dealt a really decent guy a dead man's hand.

I agree and I think that's why cellino has said he will back him to give him a fair crack of the whip. Play offs are a must for next season or I imagine it will be bye bye Brian!

Players were underperforming long before pay problem. Team selection formation tactics player recruitment and media handling have been abjectly woeful. He needs to go.

Above poster.
Xmas 5th takeover / rumours started and wages defered down to 16th with same players?

BMcD's handling of the media has been brilliant.

Mr BM has no excuses now to be fair he has had a lot to put up with but from now on he has got to bring in the results looking at our last matches we should win at least three of them.
Mr C is going to give him a chance so take it to prove to him and the loyal fans you are the person who will lead us to the success we have been waiting for.

I have watched 95% of our games home & away & I totally agree with the first post, I cannot think of any team or manager that have been able to perform properly when they have encountered similar circumstances to the one we have found ourselves in since Xmas. If a player is solely motivated by money & as a result of not being paid they are not prepared to run their heart out for our great club, then no amount of motivational talk from a manger will influence them.

We as fans wanted McDermott & we got what we wanted, so let's stick by him & allow him to do a job he was employed for, if he doesn't turn it around by Christmas then he should go. We need consistency & cannot expect any manager to join us if when result's go against us & we call for their head, chopping & changing managers never works.

07 Apr 2014 21:57:23
Reading between the lines if we lose at Watford tomorrow that's it to bmd.
Cellino quoted as fed up of excuses, he wants to see massive inprove ment but I agree with other posts that thurs is d day and a defeat would mean the sack then. Shrew leeds

Now things are settled off the field? No more excuses as to why were not getting results from BMD or the players. The exception to this is Ros Mc without whom we wold have been relegated MOT

07 Apr 2014 20:09:34
I don't think cellino wants to do anything controversial until thursday when the fl should sign this off, so Brian if you are reading these posts, that gives you tuesdays game to pull something extra special out of the fire or you ll be watching the results come in on saturday at home

07 Apr 2014 19:58:17
Leeds players are annoyed with Celino for his comments about them. Generally I would not agree with washing dirty linen in public as some discussions should remain private. However, in this circumstance I feel that the truth hurts and the players deserve all the criticism they get. There performances since Xmas have been spineless and the improvement on Saturday was only due to no excuses about lack of pay being available. The outrage from players should not be an excuse for further lack of effort. I accept that we lack quality but lack of effort is not acceptable

07 Apr 2014 20:52:12
Maybe they should prove him wrong and play for their jobs a little passion and pride might do the trick!

I bet they were not annoyed for the previous months he paid their wages while not officialy owning the club, they should be thanking him & think themselves very lucky to be being paid as highly as they are & not stacking shelves for minimum wages! they have no c;ue what life is!

07 Apr 2014 19:47:56
Look if we want to seriously move on then McDermott has to go.
Yes he has had a tough time but the football and his signings have been dross.
We need an exciting manager who can attract good players who will play the right way and give 100% to the shirt.
Only smith, McCormack, Kenny, Pearce, warnock and byram would be in the squad in my opinion.
Time to move on and give us a stress free season with something to shout about. shrew leeds

Would give Mowatt & Poleon more time so keep them as well.

Smith was a BMD signing. not exactly dross!

Mate I put smith as a player to keep on my post.but rest weren't good were they. Shrew leeds

07 Apr 2014 18:50:51
BDM staying!! I hope this is corrected Thursday and he goes and takes the dead wood with him.

07 Apr 2014 18:01:22
What happens if MC's appeal in Italy doesn't go his way. Obvious the FL will ban him, but where would that leave us? Would he still be able to own us but leave the board?

The appeal doesn't actually have to go his way. Based on the QC report, he can be found guilty but if it isn't an act of dishonesty then it isn't a disqualifying act.
The ruling will have to be that Massimo Cellino knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately evaded paying the duty. If the judge decides it was a misunderstanding or someone acting on his behalf without his knowledge then although he will be guilty he won't have acted dishonestly. That is the difference between English and Italian Law. This case would not have gone to Court in England unless Massimo Cellino refused to pay the fine or didn't co-operate with HMRC/Customs and excise.
The QC thinks because the fine was lower than the usual minimum applied in Italy and the judge mentioned "mitigating circumstances" that it is not considered an act of dishonesty. The FL seem to have been dishonest in saying it was!

They can't ban him after taken over, the fit and proper test only have to be passed before taking over!

07 Apr 2014 16:34:54
"The Football League must decide whether to officially ratify the takeover of Leeds by Massimo Cellino at a board meeting on Thursday as questions remain over how long the Italian businessman will remain in control at Elland Road" does that worry you lot as much as it is me right now?

Yes very worried.
can they do anything to block it even now?

07 Apr 2014 16:54:50
I don't think the FL have any choice but to ratify it. They have been over ruled by a judge who I believe said an appeal is not an option. Also if the Italian judge found him guilty of dishonesty in June, the league can not remove him as the rules apply to new owners not existing ones. I think the media are scaremongering which they seem to like to do with Leeds.

07 Apr 2014 16:57:08
I honestly can't see the league not ratifying the takeover after the QCs ruling they stated that the independent QCs judgment would be binding by both party's & to turn round now and say they would not ratify MCs takeover would smack of desperation & pure vindictiveness towards one of their member clubs, we all know they hate Leeds & the judgement must be destroying them but I hope they will realise they are over a barrel & can't do owt about it, fingers Xd

07 Apr 2014 15:07:51
If we fully rebuild who would you keep? Discuss. In my mind it would be Ross Mc, Byram, Pearce + mybe Smith for the bench

Think most people would agree with that except if give brown a 1 year extension

Mowatt has real potential - passes well, good decision maker, rarely gives the ball away. Bit lightweight but still young. We'd be foolish to let him go at this stage.

Jury's out on Murphy - might become a very good player IMO but can be a bit 'headless chicken.' Worth retaining at this point.

Don't rate Poleon but like everyone I'm sometimes wrong (most on here think they're always right it seems) so I'd say it's worth keeping him for a year or two to see if he can develop better awareness and a sense of direction.

Wooton looks pretty calm and distributes well - better passer than all our other defenders. Will probably get better with age as defenders usually do.

07 Apr 2014 13:35:19
Looks like the rumour mills are already turning then, and the Leeds players already hate Cellino, little surprise there considering both he AND WE have very little regard for most of them and the little effort they have been putting in whilst bleeding the club dry lately.

. I expect they'd all rather have that nice kind Mr Bates back who treated them all so kindly?

Looks like the roller coaster is coming down at present then, if it can go any further down, let's hope it rises quickly for the start of next season!

Leeds4alongtime

I don't think he cares at all. The only reason they don't like him is because now they will have to work to stay at the club. Most of them are useless. Anyway.
I wouldn't be suprised if the ones who are complaining are the old dross we have. There is no way the likes of mowatt, mccormack, byram etc are scared of Cellino. The rest just know that there is no way they will be in the championship getting paid to be an embarrassment which they are

07 Apr 2014 12:57:34
Has anyone ever questioned how that letter from GFH to McDermott which spelled out all the crazy ass demands ever got into the inbox of the media? THe crazy spinning world of LUFC, eh?

07 Apr 2014 10:14:08
Brian McDermott has to win his next game or he is going to feel the Massimo Axe!

07 Apr 2014 12:35:41
Get rid of him anyway a new era calls for a new look team and manager I think he has had enough time get shot of him

07 Apr 2014 09:31:29
That lim kok thay Malaysian who was linked with leeds is far richer than cellino, if only he had shown interest earlier who knows what this season had brought.

Will some people ever be happy

Yeah we could play in red shirt, white shorts and black socks! Have 11 number 8's

07 Apr 2014 07:31:38
The grass is not always greener guys
I have been watching everybody and mr cellino has won us all over with his brash talking and promises of riches
A few of my concerns are
Does he have money . If so why has he never ploughed enough in to Calgari to give them a go at getting away from mid table at best and challenging the big clubs if he is the billionaire of corn
What does he want to do with Calgari
Heard he wants to sell to some Qatar lot but as recently as yesterday sacked the manager Diego Lopez who was a club legend of a defender . Been there through thick and thin and had the club at heart after 350 off appearances ect when they are in a position similar to ours just out of relegation but much worse teams below them
Does he want to build a forzza empire like at Watford?
Will he sack managers on average 2 a season like he has at Calgari - he sacked the ex Italy manager for not playing someone and selling there best player to juve
I don't fear change I am a sceptic looking on but this is a first for Leeds a new foreign owner - we have never had a foreign manager . This club has DNA it does not need someone who does not understand it ruining it
Thoughts
Crossgates cal

To plough money into cagarli who have a average of 5000 on home games isn't the cleverist idea he could do is it? that's why he sold players for large fees to keep the books look sensible.
If he has elland road at 35000 a game he will be a lot happier to put more money in

Crossgates

I've been worried about this from day one mate but what alternative did we have?
Someone else might have bought us at the last minute, we couldn't take that risk as admin was looming and that left the door open for the GREEDY penny pinching PAPPA SMURF.
All we can do is support MC and enjoy the excitement and the bumpy ride we know we are going to get :)

Andy MOT

Or go and bleet these concerns somewhere else mate - for heavens sake - what more do you actually want right now? - let's give the negative speculation a rest for once and look on the bright side of life eh?

I have the same concerns over his man management and his ego getting in the way of letting a manager do his job, though I believe he has invested quite heavily in Cagliari over the course of the 22 years he has been there but unfortunately, from what I can gather, they have had numerous issues getting approval for a new stadium and their current one only holds 5000, so hardly surprising players of greater calibre haven't gone their.

MOT

SussexLeeds

I think most reasonable fans would hold the same concerns as you. however what really was the alternative. At least we know what we are getting with MC.
Yes unpredictable
yes will not plough 50million on players
and yes has a chequred past at best.

However that been said look at the alternative

administration(possibly)
GHF and Bates still in it together?
relegation battle in championship each year or mid champ at best
no funds for players
no ER
no TA
and from what I can see no clue on how to run a football club

what would you rather want?

He tried to extend the ground numerous times but could never get planning of the local dignitaries 5000 is the capacity not likely to bother the top teams in terms of pulling power competitiveness. Leave the bloke alone he can't be as bad as last couple of owne
r's
The Future is Bright The Future is all White Cellino style
UP MASSIMO CELLINO

Never thought about Calgari before you mentioned it. Why has he never put loads of money into them to make them successful. They have been relegated twice and spent 5 seasons in Serie B in the years he has been chairman and apart from one very good season where they got into Europe the majority of the time they have been a mid table club who usually struggle at the start of seasons, this could be down to having 30 managers in 18 years. I'm trying not to get too excited with Cellino taking over, I got excited the last two times we have been taken over as both Bates and GFH promised lots of money being spent and a return to the premiership and then nothing happened. I hope for something different this time and this summer will prove his intent.

Because ploughing a load of money into a team when the stadium dosent hold enough to pay for that expensive team. the Calgary buys young and cheap and sells for more to balance books different totaly to leeds who can draw bigger crowds and when it's sorted out make more money world wide. Just after wait and see about the manager problem hope he's not too rash he's saying the right things at the moment let's hope he follows through and builds. MOT

07 Apr 2014 11:33:58
Op here
I am just voicing my concerns
I know we would of been potless ect no funds administration ect
I am just looking forward to seeing this
As I feel it's my club as I support it with every breath I have
I want sustained improvement in the club
I want a plan, a philosophy going forward .
I want to know this plan so even if I did not like it I could learn to support it
At the moment we don't have an identity or actually we do we have bloody amazing fans who are getting priced out of there own stadium and then taking over other towns every other week . That's all we are known for now
Regarding my original post, I just wanna been shown the money so then I too can start to dream again
Crossgates cal

Here we go again, some on here would never be satisfied choose what, it has to be the greatest day at our club for years, we now have a guy with money and passion who shoots from the hip.never mind all the PC crap, hell say it as it is,, the alternatives to him failing his appeal don't bear thinking about, FFS celebrate this great day for Leeds, and get behind Cellino and whatever team we put out.MOT.

I don't see the problem with firing my manager for failing the targets he set out for him, it works the same way at allvthe top teans, u thinkvjose would keep his job if rhey didn't finish in the top 4? And didn't qualify for europe. You need to show strength and belief in conviction or a weak mentality will filter theough the club kinda like right now

As another poster indicated, he was being restricted in what he could do at Cagliari by the stadium. Crowds of 5000 would not support/warrant the necessary spending to push Cagliari further up the league. The local authorities there don't appear to want a larger stadium? This is also hampering his sale of the Club. There may be a bit of why should he spend his money on Cagliari when the authorities there seem to be opposing him?

06 Apr 2014 23:07:16
ED posted an hour ago you got to feel sorry for cellino.
quote. Cagliari, Lopez (team coach) is position in the balance, there is the idea of ​​technical changes. The next few hours will be crucial. good job he�s not got many problems to sort out with his latest acquisition LEEDS UNITED. MOT