Leeds Banter Archive February 05 2016

05 Feb 2016 13:33:02
I have seen posts on here Cellino is the best thing to happen to this club in 20 years and too be honest rather worryingly that may be the case. I do however take exception to the fact we are continually led to believe we will make a challenge to be promoted year on year. Like so many others on hereI travel to all home and away games and as a result I spend an absolute fortune supporting our great club, to say it is better for the chairman to put a spin on things by making untrue statements is totally bs. He should say what every fan can see and say we are a million miles away from even challenging for promotion fans can then decide for themselves how they want to support the team.

05 Feb 2016 13:43:17
Realistically mate
Why would an owner say we have no chance of promotion thus losing fans and revenue
It's a business to mc
It's a dream to fans
The two don't match often in real life.

05 Feb 2016 14:02:42
I'm not pro Cellino, but what owner would have got us up in two years after the mess GFH made? They have to buy the ground and TA back, spend £30m in the transfer window, give Byram and everyone PL wages, tickets for £20 or less on 25k crowds and pass FFP all at the same time. It's an impossible job.

05 Feb 2016 14:39:33
if that's the case SG and I agree with you, Cellino should not make promises he can't keep that is why fans get on his back.

05 Feb 2016 14:59:24
not just gfh sg the mess everyone made since risdale. also most people in football lie, everyone says they can win the f. a cup. a lot of teams say they will be winning the prem or chasing promotion. No team has ever come out and said well we are going down. It is part of business. No buisness ever says what is bad about them. imagine tesco's if their motto was we are not as good as marks and sparks? Also Evans has come out and said we are not going up so we ain't spending and he has been slated for that. sadly with football and fans no one can do anything and have everyone agree with them. it is a tough game and at least we ain't going down (which has happened recently and looked more likley in recent years than it has this season. Also we have young team very few mention that on here.

05 Feb 2016 15:28:20
Yep definitely. Some fans just don't understand the rebuilding job to do. Ridsdale left us with few assets after selling the ground and TA, Bates mortgaged catering rights and season ticket sales so we had no source of revenue. I don't think Cellino helps himself with most of his antics, but if fans believe Larkin or LFU would have us in a better position, they are deluded.

05 Feb 2016 15:30:40
It's funny how everyone raves about the amazing Gibson at Boro, but didn't he take them down in the first place and aren't they £100m in debt to him? What makes him a good owner in comparison? Is it because he's a local and a fan? We had that with Ridsdale.

05 Feb 2016 16:15:28
Blah blah what a load of tosh, nobody has said we should spend beyond our means, as somebody who hasn't missed a game for over three years and give up a considerable amount of time and money I am only asking to be told the truth. Bermondsey to compare us to Tesco's is an abosolute joke. I have never said Celino should spend money we haven't got, however I do take exception to be lied to and promises are made and never delivered. When Cellino bought the club he said we are debt free @ EllandElland red and Thorpe arch would be bought and the aim was to achieve promotion within 2 years, none of this has been delivered. He has insisted he has control over all signings ( he has decided who we buy) and has publicly said he will decide on the players bought and it is the coaches job to train them and make them gel. The players he bought we haven't delivered and been an outstanding success.

05 Feb 2016 16:26:22
You makes some good point SG. I agree that some people believe it is really easy. "We spend £20 million and we will be 10 points clear" etc. But if we are in such a perilous position financially, why is the owner coming up with statements about getting promotion in 2 years and buying the ground. Why are we showing an interest in players like Forriestti and McGreedy, only to look foolish when they go to some other club. Understand Ausman's point that he can't say we haven't got a chance, stay at home, wouldn't waste my money watching this. But to keep raising expectations only to have them exposed makes him/club look stupid. Shagtastic is right, making promises you can't keep makes you look stupid and people will accuse you of being a fantasist or lying. Just ask my girlfriend.

05 Feb 2016 16:51:19
Shagtastic, there were plenty of fans on Twitter complaining that we weren't competing for Jordan Rhodes or spending as much as Derby did. I agree that Cellino made a lot of promises he didn't keep. Saying we'd be up in two years was incredibly foolish, but I think he underestimated the league and state of the club, as do many foreign owners. Why do so many fans want Cellino to buy the ground and TA with his own money and are then asking him to leave in the same sentence? I want the club to own them, not Cellino, but realistically we can't afford to unless we go up.

05 Feb 2016 17:19:26
To be honest and fair to M C he did promise prem football in two years, however we all know that he did not expect or plan with the type of football or the financial state of the club.
I do believe are p/ l will be very telling after losing millions and being placed with a ban .
If it's the case that are books are finally balancing then great hopefully we can move on .
At least now we seem to be signing players who are able to cope at championship level .
All these clubs spending big money are going to be buggered if they do not get promotion.

05 Feb 2016 17:34:03
SG90 Gibson puts his own money in Risdale borrowed from the banks big difference mate.

05 Feb 2016 17:35:12
We were not in the run in for Rhodes. Not even Cellino is that foolish. Cellino buying the ground would be win win. The club would not fall foul of the ffp system. Cellino could rent it back to the club at a reduced rent and still make money and win back the supporters. Club saves money, Cellino gets rent which helps him get his investment back. Everyone's a winner.

05 Feb 2016 19:11:27
If o'leary had spent the money better that Ridsdale made available then I think the plan would have succeeded. But really, Seth Johnson 9 million, a washed up robbie fowler, 12 million. A centre back for 18 million. Come on it had disaster written all over it . However, who's the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him . just saying.

05 Feb 2016 21:03:02
shag trouble is you don't seem to listen. I didn't compare leeds to tescoa in any way how you come to that conclusion is anyone's guess. I was saying all buisnesses bend truth and focus on good points not highlight bad and was making a joke with company tag lines. BWM dearer than a ford S""""er than a jag. no company or business man would do that and only a fool would expect him to. MC said leeds will go up in two years and got slated but when we don't spend money because we aitn going nowhere he gets slated again (how can the poor man win) . you keep mentioning that you go to every game as if that makes you an expert or have a devine right to business dealings that are best kept secret. All going to every game makes you is a good fan and good fans understand clubs can not always do well. You slate MC for saying we were debt free. We clearly were not but if MC was honest with you as you have a season ticket other people may of known that leeds were not debt free (lose lips sink ships and all that) and if everyone knew MC lied and we were not debt free would we of got 11m for Ross? of course not, would people of come in for cook, possibly. would the club be better off, I doubt it. What is tosh is that people who do not understand business expect smart clever business men to let them and all the world know the ins and outs of a ducks behind just because they see the club. I go cinima every week does that mean MGM need to give me exact details of finaictials? come on get with it.

05 Feb 2016 21:55:50
Bermondsey can I suggest before you cast suspersions on others you check what my position is regarding business, I employee over 20 people as well as various sub - contractors and run a very successful business. Cellino in no way would sell McCormack for anything other than the fee he wanted. Since Cellino has taken over he has sold players for something like 17 million and hasn't even spent half that. I take people at face value and as such I do have the right to expect them to deliver on at least some of their promises. As I go every week I am entitled to have my say, unlike others who watch us on tv and only attend the odd game, that in no way is supporting our great team.

05 Feb 2016 22:34:07
couple of things, if MC said we were in trouble and were honest we would not of been offered 11m as they would of known we would have to of took less (like what happened before with rsiadle when our players left for far less than what they are worth) . you make a lot of asuppmtions shag. You assumed that I likened leeds to tescos and called it a joke yet didn't apologise when you were barking up the wrong tree, you assumed I assumed you were not a good business man. I never said that you may be a great buisnessman. You also state that people like myself who watch games on telly and go on odd occassions are not proper fans? that is no what to support our great team (you also don't seem to think leeds are that great in what you say) .

I have a couple of questions for you. what business are you in? let's say windows you produce windows. If I buy a lot of them do I have the right to know the ins and outs of your finintal details after all I buy a lot of your windows. also are you always truthful about your business? do you ever over sell you business? do you ever keep little tit bits to yourself as you think joe public might be best off not knowing.

I am not saying you are not a good businessman. I do think you might not be the best listener and you seem to make bold assumptions. I also wonder if you have ever done anything that MC has done yet you have moaned about it. As a successful businessman I suggest you might of. I am also very successful in business and I know sure as S;;T I do not let everyone know the ins and outs no matter how many tickets they buy to my shows or how many of my actors they employ for I like MC am very smart.

05 Feb 2016 22:35:43
also you are entitled to your say, I am also (like many others on here) entitled to say I disagree and use logic to pick things to bits. Or should I not have a say as I don't go every week? thousands of leeds fans but only the 15k who go every week have a voice. are you in politics.

06 Feb 2016 08:50:49
Shag, you say that people who watch on TV and only go to the odd game are not entitled to their say.
I would love to go to every game home and away but as I am on call at work every other week this is impossible. I probably could afford to go every week but every time one of my three kids asked me for money to do things with their friends or buy something they need I would feel guilty if I said no.
Also the weekend is the only time I get to be with my wife who would not be happy if I sodded off for half of it.
We all have different lifestyles. You have plenty of spare time and cash, I don't. (I wish I did) , but don't say I'm not entitled to an opinion because of circumstances.

06 Feb 2016 09:37:19
thanks danum I was thinking the same. I live 220 miles (3 hours 45 minute drive according to route planner) so getting to games is not the easiest thing in the world plus my wife, daughter, family and mates would not be too pleased if I spent a fortune and was never about (useless with directions so I could get lost for weeks on end) so this makes me not a proper fan, stupid and not worth an opinion. so many things shag has put I have personally found kind of rude/ insuluting and not listning to others points of view, mis using peoples words and jumping to conclusions. I always try and have a joke or try and use logic and facts to back up my opinions (not making me right but trying to come from some point of view) what made me laugh most was 'no way to support our great club' this is a club and chairman he has done nothing but moan about for the last 100 posts. being a londoner I hate arsenal with a passion, I hate what they stand for, I hate their history and how they become a top club and I hate almost all of thier fans (literally four excptions) as I find they give it but can't take it, they want it all their own way, cheer when winning and cry and moan when losing. nothing is ever thier fault. I know this is a generalisation but I have done my research and have a pie chart to prove it. any way my point is I hold leeds fans to a higher standard and get let down when 'one of my own' acts like they should be in the east upper at Arsenal. Rant over Bermondsey out!

06 Feb 2016 10:59:17
I have read with great interest every bodies comments and no where have I said as people don't go every week they are not entitled to an opinion. As I go every week I feel I have a good feel on how core fans feel, I said all I wanted was for Cellino to tell the truth. If it is going to take 5 years for us to get promotion so be it, but don't lead fans to believe we will get promotion and other things such as buying the ground etc, as a result of these statements their are fans that will purchase session tickets they might not be able to afford and this wrong. Bermondsey I never said you don't go every week, you offered that yourself. If I have offended you all that was not my intention.

06 Feb 2016 11:03:07
No business man tells the truth all the time, that's a fact. If you go out and buy the shirt you are Leeds, fans all over the world. BW if we get to the premier, sorry when we do, the people slagging him off will be carrying him down geldard road singing his praises.

06 Feb 2016 15:01:28
i definatly got the shirts. over sixty in fact which brings me to a good point, I have every john lukic keepers top (even second strips) as he is my hero and I love him more than life itself, however does anyone have the top we won the league in? if anyone has it in large mans and is interested in selling please let me know.

07 Feb 2016 10:37:38
Hi All, I haven't posted for a long time, but felt compelled to reply to the above banter as I can see both arguments. I drove 200 miles yesterday to collect a car which meant I was only 40 miles from the 'home of football'. Because I sat on the M25 for 2 hours the timings were ideal to go to the game, I apologise to Shagtastic as the missus all too easily talked me out of going. I realised after 40 years of ups and many more downs, the only reason I wanted to go to ER was to hear MOT, which I play every day anyway.

I am looking forward to going to Watford and Brighton not because any of the team are really worth paying to watch (compared to our past and Simon Grayson promotion team) but because the atmosphere and fans will always be amazing. The Fulham and Charlton games were fab, QPR when we were singing 'we're f***ing s**t' was great fun (albeit sad, but the club will be back) . Over the 3 games we created very little and were rewarded by a penalty in 270 minutes of football. I tried to get a ticket for Brentford, appreciate a tiny ground, but evening kick off, terrible weather and you had to have already been to 8 away games to qualify. Just imagine if we were any good, it would be impossible to go to a game unless you had the commitment of Shagtastic, hats off to you!

Steve Evans has done a great job of building team spirit to make us safe (Bridcutt signing inspirational) similar to George Graham who also had a poor team bar the goalie, but can't see where our progression is going to come from. Huddersfield played great football against us and we were incredibly lucky (thanks Wootton) to have won.

I appreciate the financial mess, but it doesn't matter we don't own ER (albeit I would imagine debt would be far cheaper than the rent we're being stung with) and TA, the worth of the club is the IP which are the fans. I have never understood why no prospective owner (with an ability and commitment to invest) can't see this, you don't have to have fixed assets to be Google the richest company in the world, we have so much potential.

It's easy as a fan to be emotional, the players are not interested in the clubs just financial reward (perhaps even more so at Man C and Chelski) , but Mr C it's time to p**s or get off the pot, it's embarrassing the clubs that players are choosing over the mighty whites. You need to invest to get fans back to ER, threats don't work.

Living down south now, I continue to be amazed at the amount of people I meet who support Leeds, no one I have met down here follows either of the Sheffield clubs,
Hull or even Man C, Everton, or Newcastle. This support will not last for ever, children want to see good football (us older generation Leeds till we die) which has not been seen since our last promotion. I fear that our time as a big club is running out unless something is done soon.

I forgot, the other reason reason I wanted to go to ER yesterday was to get the yellow 1978 shirt, which has been out of stock for ages, with the number 10 and Currie on the back, he was worth my season ticket money alone!

05 Feb 2016 11:50:32
Bamba in the press again saying he had a chance to go and that we're not good enough. Well maybe he should take a look in the mirror and wonder why. He's hasn't had a good game since Burnley at home and has cost us countless goals and points with his poor defending.

05 Feb 2016 14:56:51
Well. The press reporting what Bamba said, and what Bamba actually said could be very very different.

05 Feb 2016 15:01:43
agree he was only playing while on loan and useless since. I think he is related to adeydobour (you know who I mean)

05 Feb 2016 16:38:03
Strange at the end of last season when I questioned why Bamba would go to press and put his two penneth in over redfearn I got lambasted on here, how times change. No player who is loyal to his club should be making any comments like the ones he does. Its his opinion but it soon gets turned round by press and really it helps no one. Hiring firing nothing to do with him he is paid to play, wish he would start doing it.

05 Feb 2016 21:06:56
can see what you say BIGE and agree, I do think commenting on manager is one thing but to say it about the club is just disgusting if he did say it as Speedy rightly pointed out.

05 Feb 2016 11:02:11
Mornin siblings. Well another frustrating January for us, but I guess we should expect little else. Problem as I see it is that we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Is there debt? Does Cellino still want to sell? what's happening with GFH, Elland Road, new contracts for our home grown. We just have to sit and suffer in ignorance. At least the cup run continues so I shall drink to that my compadres, enjoy your weekend wherever you are or whatever you do, down those pints and up them Whites.

05 Feb 2016 02:55:07
Howdy
I'm back for those of you that were wondering? Got 6 months for indecent exposure. I wore a manc shirt for a dare and got put away for it!
So chaps
Fill me in on the 2 new buys we are playing. Not bridcutt. The two new ones in team. Are they any good. Are they capable of playing in a title winning team?
It does concern me that we have acquired a huge amount of players over the last few years and most have been rubbish. At the end of the season we need to buy 3-4 quality players and use a few of current first team and a bit of youth. No point buying 7 cheap players. Having said that we spent 3mil on a piece of wood so how much does quality cost these days!
I agree BW about ant and I am currently happy with manager and I feel team looking better than it did last year. Sat game a toughie. Struggle against them lot. I say
6-0 Leeds!

05 Feb 2016 08:37:41
You wore a mancs shirt! I hope it was a mental institution they put you in.

05 Feb 2016 10:17:08
that's life with no parole in my book.

05 Feb 2016 10:46:35
Straight to the gallows.

05 Feb 2016 11:00:10
leave Aus alone I often go out in a manc shirt. I wear it when I go out cow tipping, granny rubbing or when I like to find babies or toddles in trollys in supermarkets and move them from one isle to the next.

05 Feb 2016 11:21:24
BW. Wats granny rubbing?

05 Feb 2016 19:21:45
I'm sure we don't need to know what granny rubbing is.

05 Feb 2016 21:09:27
look at Aus and speedy pretending they don't know what granny rubbing is. like you don't put on a man shirt, stocking over your head and have a good afternoon granny rubbing. have to be quick though pickings get slim once countdown starts.