Leeds Banter Archive May 04 2016

04 May 2016 22:57:29
watching videos on youtube and one thing hit me in the evans in out debate.

i am leaning towards out but not massivly and think both sides have mertis but I will say this for him to be out

ranieri has got the best from every player, redknap another like this.

who has evans got the best out of? mirco is good but not used enough or in right way, wood can't play on his own, mowatt great player used wrong, cook similar. botkata looks under used (maybe sloth but then all managers have done this) finally dallas not really used as winger which is what he does best. we don't score enough is this down to SE

also I don't like his negitive formation and tatcis and fear food might be in short supply if he stays at er and this worrys me.

05 May 2016 00:03:36
I will agree with you 100%, to all those who say keep Evans as he appears to know what he's doing, he's signed 3 players,2 on loan one permanent . The fact is Bridcutt has played in all but 2 games he was available for.

Caryol has started 6, been substituted off in every one of those and started as sub in 6 games, Dave has started 12 and been sub in 4 games, a quarter of those he has been available for. Now, would you give this man your money to spend on players? At that rate, we'd need a squad of about 50.SO THE CHOICE IS, give Evans our budget to spend, when after 10 games, he's sacked, where is the new manager going to get more money from .

I hear Evans been saying, the players we bring in will have to be better than the 3 I bought in"? No s., Sherlock. The guys a clown and for anyone to think he could get us anywhere near the play offs is a joke.

05 May 2016 00:21:56
Bermo
Completely disagree. When he came in his assignment was avoid relegation. He achieved that albeit for most of the time playing 2 DMs but did it not occur to you that Rosler 433 formation did not suit us because our players were never good enough to play it. We were shipping goals and our defense poor. What else was a manager to do other than shore things up and give the defense protection.
We only maybe get to find out if Evans is a one trick pony next season if superior players are acquired.
You can't make a silk purse from sow ear so it's not about getting best out of players if they lack the talent or are over hill or not suited to the English game.
Raggity
Your criticism of Evans harsh. Remember who he works for. A lunatic psychopath.
It's simple guys. We need 3 new central defenders and cover for Taylor. We also need 3 new strikers.

05 May 2016 04:11:42
I was thinking the same on way to work BW. About him getting best out of players. We have talented players that have not performed to their ability recently in particular mowatt. Should we cash in or hope next manager can get better out of them? what if he can't? Overall we finished above our ability this season so he has to get some credit but and there's always a butt! Answer this
Can Leeds get in play offs or promoted with him as manager? I say no!

05 May 2016 05:10:18
george, not every post is about your blind hatred of mc and you can not bring everythiny back to this as it weakens your arguement and looks silly.

this is about evans getting best from players. I agree rosler was playing a formation that didn't suit us so he was sacked. you make a good point about SE having a job of avoiding religation and doing that, you also make a god point about having to sure up defense with 2 df mids (altough I think this is too negitive) I also agree the only way to know if he is good enough is to let him have a season although i'm inclined to say no (only slightly though) working for mc has little to do with this point so not sure why you mentioned it?

in most games ivee seen we look better after SE chnages things, so why does he nott start that way? when we he realise his start is not as good as finish? when we he get more from team.

we all know a manager can make a silk purse from sowes ear as ranieri has done just that. not saying they ain't good players but they are not great and should not of won league but manager made it possible. would lecsiter of won legye with SE?

finally not point giving se three new stirkers as he nly plays one so too many would not be playing akss owood and ant are good enough at this level if used properly.

05 May 2016 05:58:02
Bermo
Nothing sow ear esque about
Schmeicel
Huth
Morgan
Drinkwater
Kante
Mahrez
Vardy

You couldn't do that with our lot.
Yes I can't stand Cellino. I know his kind. He is a looney.

05 May 2016 09:32:19
I don't think any coach/ manager would have hot us in the top six,
Are goalkeeper has an excellent game followed by a howling error, he still lacks ability on crosses etc.
Are defence has been hit and miss all season, and to top this up front I believe you need to play two strikers who are both a threat .
Again are strike force has been hit and miss .
Bridcutt has shown that players of his type can give that bit of quality but it will cost, instead of signing players that will hardly ever make the first team 3-4 proven players at this level and a clear out is needed .

05 May 2016 10:32:36
lets get some perspective on lesciter and the job ranieri did.

last year they nearly went down, they were 5000-1 for a reason. yes they have some decent players, they have some good players but champions, never in a million years too many teams were far stronger.

what raineri did was great man managermanet, he made sure there were no dips in form, he played a tatic and formation they got every ounce of talent from them. They played gun ho when needed, they shut up shop when needed. ranieir out classsed every other manager and team.

Im not saying they are not good but retrospectivly compared to others they were a sowe ear. Fergouson did the same with man utd, the last time his team won the league they where not very good as other managers have shown.

Now has SE done that with us? also I have to disagree that no manager would of got us up, I know we will never no and it is all retrospective but I feel if a ranieri won them the league then someone somewhere could of got us up.

05 May 2016 10:41:59
Bermo
Are you Cellino?

05 May 2016 11:51:27
We need 2 CBs not 3. Forwards again two but three if Ant goes which he probably will. Another LB maybe but i'd prefer a CM with experience. Beradi can cover Taylor when needed. Its about prioritizing really, unless mad man really splashes the cash.
So five new players, six if and when Ant goes. But who will be chosing these new players. Evans? New manager? Or Cellino?

05 May 2016 13:13:19
mate if I was cellino do you think I would be on here? i'd be out drinking parting and surrounded by pretty people. maybe i'd go leeds if I had time.

05 May 2016 13:21:43
Cork
We are largely in agreement. Hear you with Berardi on LB situation. My 3 central defenders assumes Bellendusci departs. My 3 strikers assumes Ant departs. Both of those departures look likely.

05 May 2016 14:48:03
Seems George dosent like the guy with crazy enough balls to save us
Likes managers capable of relegating us
Dosent agree with prem league teams that we have talented youngsters worth millions
But does believe that our current coach is our saviour purely because he has lasted the longest and should be rewarded for coping with crazy horse mc
It's business George. Not personal.

05 May 2016 15:47:22
Put the Pinot away Ausman because it is clouding your judgement as to what George is saying. Given the choice, Evans would not be the ideal choice for the head coach role however it is the fear that Cellino will bring in a coach of similar or less quality and provide that coach with another set of inferior players (probably all midfielders) that do not address the weaknesses in our team, is what concerns many fans. Those who regularly watch this seasons team would be hard pressed to argue that we should have finished in the top 10 therefore Evans has done a good job to keep us away from the relegation zone. If a better coach was acquired by Cellino then there would be no concern however his track record at Leeds does not fill me with confidence.

05 May 2016 15:52:42
Ausman
Who is going to save us from Cellino?

05 May 2016 16:42:03
Anty will go Erwin does not look good enough hence my call for a forward .
But I do agree Cork, and have been saying all season.
I don't think we have any real generals, maybe you guys know better as you probably get to see the team a lot more.
I do wish we had signed Barton with a coaching role as bait, he reads the game and would have made an excellent captain.

05 May 2016 18:10:36
Have to agree Dog regarding Barton. I know he was mentioned before season started on numerous occasions with views mixed but he would have made a massive difference to us as we have no real leaders with the exception of Bamba who has been in and out of the team. Apart from the obvious areas that we need to improve, an experienced midfielder is key imo.

04 May 2016 14:05:39
United 16/ 17 made up from recently released players:
Gk - Boric
Def - Enrique
Def- Taylor
Def - Delany
Def - Richardson
Mid - Tiexera
Mid - Nzogbia
Mid - Osman
Mid - Carrick (sorry! )
Att - Adebayor
Att - Sessegnon
All "free" although wages a problem .

04 May 2016 14:24:16
few of them good calls and afforadable

enrquie, taylor, tiexrea, nzobbia and maybe osman will not be on huge wages and could be worth looking into, think it was a good shout.

{Ed001's Note - is Enrique the Liverpool left back? If so he is on huge wages right now and has a terrible attitude.}

04 May 2016 18:00:57
oh I think I got muddled with the newcastle player who I just realised is gutieriez think he would be a good shout. any ex liverpool first teamer would be way out of our budget.

as a loan option the west brom winger who made debut looked amazing if he don't feature in their plans for next season.

04 May 2016 21:57:05
Last thing we need is a load of old journeymen on huge wages.

04 May 2016 22:05:51
Think you're a bit confused Bermo mate.

04 May 2016 22:53:08
im always confused I keep calling my wife my ex's name, mind you that is more hopeful than confused I think.

04 May 2016 08:57:12
The choice for MC and next seasons manager is down to this,

does he stick with SE and invest in 3 or 4 players, see where he is at xmas and put a few extra bob in to make top 6

OR

does he start again with a new manager and give him real funds whereby a challenge for automatic is guaranteed and top 6 is the default position?

SE going and the summer and the level of investment will indicate his intentions.

Would not be surprised if we see MC going for it though

( his temperament will want him to make the club successful)

does he have the funds though?

04 May 2016 09:54:22
Trouble is PA, replacing the manager is a gamble and Cellino's managerial appointments thus far have hardly been inspiring.

Would Walter Zenga be a better appointment that Stevie Evans? He seems to have had more clubs than Tiger Woods and has achieved nothing as a manager. He has no experience of English football and would probably be on his way after the first month of the season. We need stability and a manager who would last all season would be a good start!

I can't see us attracting a Flores or Karanka with Cellino in charge so it's maybe a better the devil you know situation. Tin Ribs has done OK (better than any of his predecessors) and with the right backing, could get us up.

I'm saying stick with Stevie and Down The Pints, Up The Whites!

MM.

04 May 2016 13:11:44
As MM states, starting again with a new manager is a risky strategy. 1) New coaching system. Players often get confused when changing systems. 2) New man wants his own players. Can become costly when buying another half dozen players who take us sideways (no reference to Murphy there) 3. Murphy has seen off all of the coaches/managers under Cellino. What chance does Not have if he tries to enforce his ways upon the squad. Most will believe they will outlast the new coach. 4. We start all over again and hope that this time it's different. If Cellino can give us a Coach that everyone can see is a step forward, then ok. But if it's someone we have to Google to check their CV like Zenga and are unimpressed, then keep Evans. The real problem is we don't know who is going to be coach next week.

04 May 2016 14:12:35
S W S,

D T P,

U T W .

04 May 2016 14:21:12
it is a tough one, dispite being a fan of se and pleased with his appointment, he is a ship steadier and gets a lot from rubbish teams. he is not a promotion manager and does not have ability to get a team up and he can not win games against smaller clubs, he can steal points but can not win them. he als o needs to change a winning team to make us lose joke games. if we are happy to stay mid table and not invest stick with steve if going to invest and want to push up table we need a manager who can win games. this might be zenga although I doubt it. I still hold no weight in this who would manager leeds rubbish. we would get a floers or pearson if we put the funds into their wages, a promotion bonus and a transfer kitty. so if going for it we need to do it properly and go for the most important position which is manager. I hope MC gets this right.

04 May 2016 16:56:02
Bermondsey not often I disagree with you but have to point out Steve brought Rotherham and Crawley up I think.

04 May 2016 18:08:08
yeah sorry let me disagree with myself he did bring them both up and did great job with both. this was one league lower of course and although they came up they were not massive clubs for that league so he did well as I don't think thoes teams were expected to win every week (could be wrong their) I think he is good just not sure he is the right guy for promotion from championship and not sure he knows how to set a bigger team up (leeds) to win at home to rubbish side (charlton, huddesfield ect) .

i was chuffed when he got the job and I knew he would stableize us and make us a better team and I think if he keeps the job he will get us between 7-12 in table but if we want genine promotion push not sure he is best man for job as he makes too many mistakes, is too negitive and mixes team too much.

this said if he took us up I would not be massivly shocked as he is a decent manager.

04 May 2016 18:31:02
PA.
I agree with your initial thoughts! 😜.