Leeds Banter Archive March 03 2016

 

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03 Mar 2016 20:55:21
As always some fantastic and varied views on here guys. As a glass half full guy (don't mention Brighton) I tend to enjoy reading the positive perspectives put forwards by Wex BW, Speedy and Degs.

That being said I totally understand the desire for change now! However at the risk of being hung and drawn. Do we as fans need to be much more realistic in our expectations? I sense we are often like England fans coming into another major tournament even though we've done absolutely nothing since 66'

When we say go MC now! What does that mean? Become the new Man City? Or the next Bolton. I actually do not think money is the answer to every successful team. Bournemouth certainly did not buy their way out of this division on crowds of eight thousand a week they had an exceptional manager and chairman working in perfect harmony. Fact is we don't have this but we could without major money being invested. Fact MC gets all the grief GFH gets none? Fact Parkin may invest but he hasn't yet.

Look at Birmingham currently just outside the playoffs in 8th beating Hull tonight as I write an ex chairman in prison an
exceptional young manager in Rowett.
Look at their Team recognise any stars, flair players, big signings? Nope just a Team supported by a loyal fan base who recognise they are probably punching above their weight at present. Fact we don't own our ground, training ground and MC lied to us all by not addressing that. Fact we are 18th Brighton away was the worst away performance I have ever seen. Fact I don't want to switch to Brighton or Birmingham because I am so fortunate to support LEEDS UNITED. Fact is I may never see my beloved team play in the Premiership again but I wouldn't swap that for anything especially any impractical illogical plans which then returned us back into administration and potentially out of business. So I'll wait however long, disappointed I become I will keep being lifted by our fans first and foremost, I mean I support the best team in the world FACT 😃.

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03 Mar 2016 22:18:52
i agree with this post and thought it was smart and realistic. I get a lot of stick from freinds and family being based in london.

small club with the big ground. team with naff all but memories. worse run team outside of blackpool. etc etc. I also know a lot of fans who are happy with their clubs lot. Leyton orient and millwall etc. they have never been big clubs but fans are happy.

i think some fans live onto the past and feel we have some god given right to be a big club. the fact so many fans on here talk about prem is maybe a bit dilliosonal and not justified. Why should we be challenging for playoffs, we have been pillored for years, best players sold, ground sold, debt, we don't even have a training ground yet some people talk about putting in millions to be challeneging for prem. how many teams in our league had to sell their stadium such was their plight, yet we think we should be top six club?

I like yourself would love us to be back in prem, but I don't think it will happen and don't think it is realistic for it to happen. I think the football at the moment is poor and want us to improve but we are really where we can hope to be. Realsitcily we should hope not to go down over next three years then after that bit better every year so promotion back to prem realisticly in ten years if lucky?

like yourself I love this club and I feel so lucky to support leeds and love everything about them. if we go up great if we go down it don't matter still rather be leeds in league one than someone else in champs league.

i can see why some people are upset and want better but I honestly don't think we should even be thinking about going up because that is not where this club is at at the moment. So I will just love the club and if we win it is a bonus as we are S'''T. This said I do think the standard and style of football is below par. I don't mind losing but play with some pride and try and score.

anyway point of my post i'm with you class of 92.

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03 Mar 2016 23:24:07
I don't believe it
The above two posts are exactly what I was about to write!
Good posts
However. We have bigger crowds than most in and out of prem and a bigger fan base so it is down to owner to manage and utilise this advantage.
It is solely bad running of the club from top to bottom why we are where we are.
Players can only do what they can do. Most are bad but they were bad when they were bought.

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04 Mar 2016 00:50:23
Excellent posts. Nothing to add to these, other than support what Class of 92 and BW have posted.

MoT.

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04 Mar 2016 08:11:28
What a great post class of 92! It's the stability we all crave, we Leeds fans have our expectations based on our memories of the good times. The Great Revie team. The young team who set the Prem alight in the late 90s early 2000. That same team so close to winning the Champions league and Eurasia cup. Sgt Wilko's real champions of England team. So we know good times can return quickly, but our MC is such an unpredictable individual who does not bring harmony with his ownership. If MC would just do the right things which he should have learned by now. Let the manager pick the team, identify signings, tactically manage each game. MC needs to take a back seat. GFH bought out. Being honest with the fans and bring unity within every aspect of the club.

Leeds United always

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03 Mar 2016 19:34:43
I know Steve Evans will be staying at Leeds for awhile but when he inevitably gets fired at some point what about bringing in Tim Sherwood

Many of you will know who he is, but there is also the possibility of Gary Monk former Swansea manager

Thought?

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03 Mar 2016 20:02:41
one should remember mc doesn't like paying high wages.

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03 Mar 2016 20:32:20
i am not sure about tim sherwood think he is ok motivator for half a season but that might be it. I like the idea of monk and also love the idea of pearson or even (just to get a comment from speedy) Larry . for me larry is tried and tested and has unfinsihed buiness with leeds. I would love nothing more than for larry to be the one to take us back to prem.

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03 Mar 2016 21:34:16
Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry
It's a yes to Larry from me.

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03 Mar 2016 21:48:04
Totally agree on Larry as I said the other day however it would be a waste of time if we don't move away from the current short termism that MC favours.

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03 Mar 2016 21:52:35
Yes of course Scoops
It's got to be Larry with backing and a minimum 3 years
(which probably rules MC out)

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03 Mar 2016 22:20:44
so can I get this right just to make sure we are on the same page speedy, you also like larry and think he was a good manager and want him back. because I think I am the only one and nobody else including you rates him?

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03 Mar 2016 23:26:36
Speedy, you that desperate to go on a date with Larry.

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04 Mar 2016 04:48:43
No to larry
Spose he is a step up the ladder from what we had but of a 99 step ladder he would only be on rung 2!
Got no bottle. Cracks when pressure is on!
He'd get a nose bleed beyond rung 4.
So it's a no from me! No no no!
Monk or the bank for me!

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02 Mar 2016 22:28:37
I know this post will divide opinion but here goes. I still believe in MC and hope that he sees this project through. I also hope that SE is given the time to do it for us. I'm not saying that SE is the best coach in the world but if MC backs him with a decent kitty partly funded by selling Evans' deadwood (of which there's a lot) , then I think we'll eventually turn the corner.

We can't sink much lower so this will prove to me whether MC is a winner or he's taking the piss. I believe he wants to win this battle so he must let SE get HIS players in so then he has no excuses. This will take proper outlay but not necessarily crazy money imo (think Silver/ Wilko).

I'll be gutted if MC proves me wrong and have to eat humble pie but this is my view for what it's worth. Regardless i'll be at Ewood Park loud and proud and Leeds United forever. Feedback will tell me wether I've had too many fosters! MOT as always.

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03 Mar 2016 14:14:54
i have to I agree, I think MC is a passionate football man who shouts his mouth off too much but does want the best for leeds and himself. As said before I also think he did well at other club. Think he was set up as villian before he even started at leeds and some fans have jumped on that and not recoinsged the good he has done.

Im mixed about SE. I was excited when we got him and wanted him to get the job last year. I don't think we are playing SE type football and no point having a coach like him if we insist on playing a different way. I like his singings but his displays and points total is a joke and is very sackable. my biggest problem with any coach is lack of progression and making the same mistake. so if he plays wooton again over coyle and defenders instead of wingers I will be calling for the fat ones head as you have to improve and learn otherswise you are going backwards IMO.

think good post though and just hope we have it sorted by the Huddelfield game as don't fancy 500 mile trip to see us lose to that tin pot club again MOT.

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03 Mar 2016 15:11:06
I agree for the most part degsy but my jury returns in the summer. If no big investment in 7 good british players MC must leave for good of our club. My sources tell me MC does interfere with team selection and tactics and wants a more patient Italian slow build up. That as we know suits the English championship very badly. MC must learn it's just his money that's required. We need a LB cover, 3 central defenders and 3 strikers.

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03 Mar 2016 15:56:00
have to say George this would make sense as to why Se is not playing SE type football, this current style doesn't suit manager, league or players so must go. I would rather watch a more effective sam aladyce style (which is what I thinnk SE is) and get the points and look like scoring at some point.

i can see why fans are saying MC has to go but the age old question remains for who? I think at the moment MC is a bit like my wife. not idea but the only one I got and the only one who is interested in the role.

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03 Mar 2016 16:21:20
Bermo, you are right to question for who. The Leeds Fans United group were insufficiently capable to do a better job but at least they would've got the basics right. It's a shame but that guy Ridsdale really ruined our club and it's getting close to the point of no return now. We don't even own our own ground and you got to also say if no big investment from MC in the summer his true agenda will be revealed - just another Bates. Let's remember it was MC who in all likelihood suspended Thompson simply in order to weaken Redfearn. Antics of someone with best interests of Leeds United when I believe we had won something like 5 on the spin?

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03 Mar 2016 18:23:06
Degsy, I am with you, guess I just really want some stability and really want us come out of these dark days. MC has got better and then worse and then just as we think he is awesome he kicks us in the nuts again - we need solidarity and we need honesty. Slagging each other will get us nowhere MOT.

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03 Mar 2016 20:15:23
MC got Redfern sacked from Rotherham also my sources claim!!

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03 Mar 2016 20:38:34
great point about thompson, things were just starting to look very promising and then that was madness and took us back about five years. I have to draw the line at MC being just another bates. MC might be crazy and say too much and maybe he don't have enough money but bates.? come on. Bates sold the ground that mc is slated for not buying, bates sold to ghf who mc is slated for not buying out.

Under bates we sold too many gem for no money and never reinvested under MC that has not been the case in any way shape or form.

Schimelce, crainey, delph, jonshon, gradel, beckford, becchio, snodgrass, howson, garbut, rose, just a few sold under bates who have gone on to play in prem. bates sold low and didn't care about giving back, at least mc sells high or holds on and does put back into the club (not great buys but he does put back in) . MC should be loved for trying to fix the hole bates dug not be mentioned in the same breath even if mc is far from perfect.

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04 Mar 2016 13:20:26
absolutely spot on Bermondsey - Bates took everything out of the club and didn't reinvest a penny - as long as he got to line his grubby pockets he didn't even care if he didn't get the value for the players he sold. he only sold up when he had got rid of everyone of value - he is the worst chairman that this club or any other has ever had. a liar, a cheat and absolute scum.

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04 Mar 2016 14:59:05
true alf only two things that will wind me up and make my blood boil and that is bates followed by hock. only thing is hock can't help being useless and was just a joke. bates was a nasty piece of work and knew what he was doing. when we went up from league 1 we had a squad and manager that had every chance of going up again like norwich and saints difference was that nasty B""""""d didn't want us to go up. bet the dirty little cockney g"T loved what he did to our beloved northern club. and that is coming from a cockney g'T myself. I am not 100% behind MC, I think he is crazy meddles too much and has too much to say but he has saved this club and he may make mistakes but unlike bates he wants what is best for leeds not just his bank account and pad in monaco. I have said it on here before and will say it again any one who kicks bates square in the nuts will be my personal hero and I will happliy pay them a score to do so!

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03 Mar 2016 11:00:25
I hope the article in today's YEP regarding the club being in contract talks with some of our young players is not true. Evans stated last week that he expected the likes of Cook and Mowatt to be at the club next year. With Bridcutt already indicating he will only join us next year if the club matches his ambitions, on saying he would love to re join Brighton I really hope we can hang on to these players as these are the future of our club.

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03 Mar 2016 12:35:15
I agree with you Shaggy - but one thing that really turns me off players is clubs being held as a hostage to fortune - in this case Bridcutt (only wants to stay if the club "matches his ambitions") and if not, he would "love to return to Brighton. " He's done us a pretty decent job, and taking into account the squad we have I'd prefer to keep him, but he is no Speedy/ GaryMac/ Batty/ Strachan, and if his heart is not in the club, well, he knows where the M1 is.

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03 Mar 2016 13:41:04
Cook is in the last year of his contract next year anyway so regardless of any clauses he can either get sold in the summer for a reasonable amount, in Jan for less or he will be off for nothing.

UNLESS we match his ambitions - we are a mile away from that at the moment so what should we do?

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03 Mar 2016 15:22:38
Know where you are coming from marktenjag but I agree with Birdcage on this. The time is between now and summer to show the ambition otherwise what's the point of us being called Leeds United anymore? We've been suffering in the wilderness for a dozen years now. Enough is enough. I think what Birdcage is saying is this - we are fortunate enough to have a decent midfield and we do but our defense is league 1 standard and so is our attack and in case of the attack that's somewhat of an undeserved compliment. Our attack is the poorest I've seen since I've supported Leeds. Birdcage is saying if you want the midfield to stay invest. If you don't then don't but he's off. At this stage of our plight you can't argue with that too much. Enough is enough. I hope MC invests because I fear for us and what the fans will do if he doesn't. We need a minimum 25m investment on new players.

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03 Mar 2016 15:57:35
25m is far too much to expect at this level, I think that would destablise the club and have us back in administartaion. I think we need to invest but think we need to be a little more realistic in our aims as a small poor club in recovery which is what leeds are.

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03 Mar 2016 16:14:43
Disagree with you on this. FPP rules are a consideration but I believe the mcbadgekisser money has been strategically deferred so we can rely on that to counter balance the investment needed without flagrantly breaching the rules. Bermo, you can't deny that 7 players are needed. At today's prices. The good midfield and Taylor leave soon if nothing big happens. Then what have you got? Nothing and then you need a whole new team costing a lot more but what division will we be in? Also, these PL relegated clubs are getting a lot more parachute money now and it's only getting worse. Time to gamble is now otherwise I see no return for us in our lifetime. Truth hurts sometimes.

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03 Mar 2016 20:44:15
i agree in theory and you even say it in your post. time to GAMBLE. 25 mill is great if we go up what if we don't then what? we have nothing left to sell. I would rather not invest and go down to league 1 than go for broke and no longer have a club to support. we do need 7 players to go up but not every team can go up and I am happy knowing at the moment we are not pushing for promotion. we are mid to low table. that is where we are and where we should be given out recent history. our last 12 year history we are doing well to be in championship so I will settle for that any day rather than expect more than what this club is capable of at the moment and where this club should be. we were league 1 not that long ago and we were nearly a car park not long before that. I would love to be prem but we aint. So I think our fans need to start thinking of leeds as a little poor broke team that is damaged and doing well to be where we are. every win is a bonus becuase we are doing well just to survive with the richer clubs. I love a gamble and will gamble anything apart from my daughters life and the club I support.

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03 Mar 2016 21:57:46
Bermo, no gamble now means and equals we are a feeder club for the top 10 PL clubs including Manyoo.

Can you live with that? I cannot.

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03 Mar 2016 22:10:10
i can live with that over the alturnative which is me in pub. I use to be leeds fan but since they went under I now follow leyton orient. I can live with being a feeder club as that is our rightful place at the moment. we are not a big or rich or good club. we are a team that has been in dire striaghts and lucky not to be a feeder club for teams in league one. we are lucky to be a club full stop. I would love for us to get back to glory years and back in prem but I don't think it is realistic. the landscape around this club changed 15 years ago and got worse 10 years ago. I don't see us back in the prem in the next ten years. I see us being what we deserve to be a middle of the road championship club. and to be honest I can live with that. I hope we don't go down to league 1 but if we do I can live with that also all I can live with is the constant fear that one day I will wake up and will read on news leeds go under and that was a real fear for a while. I do believe we will get back to prem but don't think it will in the next 5-10 years.

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