Leeds Banter Archive February 02 2016

 

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02 Feb 2016 21:58:50
It would be interesting to see how posh paid for Nicholls from Exeter? Nevis they seem to find gems and sell on for big bucks and I'm sure we were looking at him after fa cup clash with Liverpool that's what we should be looking at and buying in that transfer window but oh nooo we decide to leave it and wait for players to drop in our lap?

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02 Feb 2016 20:51:57
I know a lot of people are moaning re lack of any more signings and to be fair deadline was dull BUT

Don't all of the football pundits/ genus types say that you are much better off buying players in the summer not in the window unless you really have to? / as choice much better and prices don't go up so much.

So all we have really done is follow good practice really according to most football experts so I am not too depressed, just felt really bored on deadline day but don't understand why people are once again reading all kind of stuff into this.

Would rather keep our powder dry than buy average players at over inflated prices.

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02 Feb 2016 20:56:08
Dg always the voice of reason totally agree we need to be ran properly and when we are we complain.

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02 Feb 2016 21:43:41
Which summer might we actually buy someone is the question though isn't it!

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03 Feb 2016 08:12:50
Buy average players DG? thst's all this club as done to just do enough to stay in the championship.

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03 Feb 2016 12:04:53
We got some great deals last summer, with all the cash we splashed . If we do the same next summer premiere league here we come . Or maybe not . Where oh where is this blind optimism coming from, surely not past experiences or false promises by Mr Cellino . Because I for one, have not seen him follow through on any promise he has made to the fans . Oh except by saying Cook wouldn't be sold this summer! S E trying to have us believe a bid was made, then the owner tells us no bid was made, who should we believe? , Smoke or Mirrors?

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02 Feb 2016 18:15:37
Why do we always fall for BS, Evans said that all the money from the sale of byram was available for injection into squad,!
We need a cover for goalkeeper and a centre forward but NO we get ANOTHER midfielder.?
Lucky if we finish in the top 10,again we are all sold down the river.

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02 Feb 2016 22:13:34
We are where we are so let's get behind the squad we got and push for the best placing possible - MOTπŸ‘πŸ».

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03 Feb 2016 00:59:50
Darren, the players LUFC wanted we can probably acquire on an emergency loan. Financially more prudent that way. I can see us getting Kike and Lafferty next week. Chill.

Where another good central defender is coming from idk.

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03 Feb 2016 19:20:31
Mate I really am trying to be optimistic, no matter what I will always be a white!

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02 Feb 2016 18:14:58
I'm not that bothered that we didn't sign anyone yesterday, I think we will just have to wait until
The summer to see if Cellino is true to his word about having a serious push next season. I can see a couple of others changes happening though before we make any summer signings, one being a change of manager. I think Cellino only sees SE as a stopgap, which is a shame as he's clearly a decent bloke who has done really well. The other possible change is that Cellino could either sell the club or take on serious investment from someone like Steve Parkin. Either way it will be a rollercoaster ride for us fans as usual.

MOT

p. s. I can't believe the Tassimo and Brick deals fell through, both failed their medicals. Apparently Tassimo was to weak and Brick was carrying too much weight!

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02 Feb 2016 19:08:39
the only thing that will change next summer is taylor and cook will leave for bigger clubs. clubs who want to play in the prem.

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03 Feb 2016 12:12:17
I agree Micky b, Cook and Taylor wool have 1 year left on there contracts in the summer . Why would they stay at a mid table, to lower league championship, when for bucket loads of money they can play at a higher level . Who reckons they'll sign new contracts if there agents are worth there salt? The trick is to foresaw how good they'll become and tie them down early . Or take a chance and risk losing them . There mate Byram went to West Ham and his wages went from Β£12 to 45 grand a week to play in the prem, and to think he could have stayed for Β£10 grand a week the silly young man!

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02 Feb 2016 16:29:20
Well as expected we had another disappointing transfer window. Ok we signed three players two on loan and one signing. The concern I have is do we have in place an agreed fee with the players clubs should we want to buy the players we have on loan. Secondly my understanding around the Byram transfer is Evans has gone on record as saying he only wants players to play for the club if they want to play for the club, and yet antenucci has asked for a transfer ( proves he doesn't want to play second fiddle to Wood and douigara) so why is he at the club. From day one Antenucci has only been playing for himself. I feel we are in for a whole load of pain in the next coming years as it is clear Cellino will not let go of the person strings and spend decent money decent players.

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02 Feb 2016 16:41:36
good point about Ant but I really rate him and hope we keep him.

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02 Feb 2016 17:04:59
Not seen anything about Ant wanting to leave, but have noticed stories in regard to clubs trying to sign him
I for one expected Woods to be better goal wise than current tally and I think most of us did .
S D scoring which is a bonus .
Take a lot of the stories written with a pinch of salt (a bit like Jeff's posts) as we don't really know how much truth is in most of them .
Most of all I would have liked us to have signed another cb as Bamba seems to be dire at the moment.

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02 Feb 2016 17:45:13
i think wood will still come good and stand by that (so I stand by my wood) I hate to pick a fight with any leeds fan but sorry dog your comment on jeff's posts were unfounded, bang out of line and show a lack of class/ intelligence. I think you should be banned from this site or made to support bradford.

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02 Feb 2016 18:14:44
Bermondsey most on here will record the fact that in the past posts things where written claiming to be fact have never come true .
I never said I never thought Wood was good or bad, I remember a lot of posts saying to sign him or get him on loan, so I know , a lot of posters expected him to do better.
I have run my own business for years, have a bsc and lecture .
A hobby come pension is buying and doing up property to add to my portfolio .
Yeah I'm as thick as custard

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02 Feb 2016 18:18:30
I said a while ago, Bamba played out of his skin to get a contract but since he got it, he has really played carp.

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02 Feb 2016 19:42:01
Dogwise, I may be wrong but I think BW's comments were written with his tongue firmly in his cheek. It may have helped if he'd have stuck a πŸ˜‰ on the end of it.
We are all on the same side aren't we?

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02 Feb 2016 20:05:29
I hope so buddy, if that's the case I'm very sorry .
Had a bit of day, love my work, and I give time to rescue centres free I will add, it always put me in this mood .

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{Ed003's Note - good on you dw and chin up.}

03 Feb 2016 14:38:44
all of my posts are tounge in cheeky and yes it was not meant to be taken seriously. Danumwhite I would of used a smiley face but I think all people who use emojies deserve to be hung drawn and quatered :)

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03 Feb 2016 18:45:47
Sorry dude, tough day yesterday!

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03 Feb 2016 20:08:24
no hard feelings mate my post looked very insulting as it is hard to read sarcasim in post and sarcasim is the lowest form of wit, then I am a low person.

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03 Feb 2016 21:09:17
Ahh, all friends again lovely! β˜ΊπŸ˜€πŸ˜πŸ˜‚.

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02 Feb 2016 16:08:07
Leeds season was over weeks ago so they were never going to spend big, maybe bring in some players on emergency loan and then buy in the summer.

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02 Feb 2016 15:59:34
well another window shut and for once I am pleased and think we have done smart buisness (or no business) . Sam didn't want to play at leeds and I don't think he is prem player so ok fee and if one of our players was going he was the best one.

Kept Taylor, cook, mowatt. Good manager and even wooten is playing well. I do hate belluschi but other than that team is ok.

no we are not going up but nnot going down either and I don't mind that compared to many years where we are always looking over our shoulders.

so why spend money on players when it would make no difference? better to wait till summer surely?

most fans in agreement but some still moaning and complaining about MC.

so to all MC haters here is a list of our chairmen since the great les silver

Bill Fotherby (did nothing but sell us for profit) Pete Risdale (idiot who killed our club) , Proff John Mckenzie (saved us but at what cost) Trevor birch (who? ) Gerald Krasner (again really? ) Ken bates (killed this club, raped us of assest and sold for peanuts and killed the clubs chances of promotion for good ten years) Ghf (again milking the club from profit and killing the club stopping us from moving forward) and now MC.

so since 1996 there is a strong case to say no one has been better for leeds, run the club better, invested as well or wanted the club to do well (certainly when you put everything together) so why are people so keen for MC to leave why do we think anything would improve when he is the best thing to happen for 20 years? rant over.

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02 Feb 2016 16:58:46
Agree it is highly unlikely we will threaten the top six but I would not agree we are cast iron safe from a relegation battle either (although we do have a healthy cushion) . Smart business with Diagourga and probably the best deal he could have got for Byram under the circumstances. The loan deals will only turn out to be good if we retain those players for next season otherwise we are starting again with a new winger and defensive midfielder. I do struggle with the notion that MC will splash the cash in the summer on quality as history has proved this not to be the case and when he has spent it has been funded by a player sale (McCormack) , Cook beware! I am also struggling to remember a team who has been promoted following a significant transition of players in one transfer window (assuming we would require 5/ 6 new players as Evans stated) therefore would not a steady transition i. e. a couple of players per window put us in a stronger position to challenge? Clubs like Leicester, Swansea, Bournemouth, Norwich etc. have shown a path to get out of this division.

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02 Feb 2016 17:43:22
watford, 400 players in and 73 managers for 90 different countries and three galexys and they went up and doing well. I agree about signing few each window but think the loans make sense, like a try before we buy and Mc has a good record of buying the better players on loan. not point throwing money good after bad (as my granddad use to say) also we might not be in that postistion to keep buying. We have made steady progress since MC has come in (think back to warnock squad) we have youngest average starting 11 in league and young sqaud so progress is there and we are now buying young players with potential rather than journey men. I see what you are saying about investment being made through sales but that is business better than selling players for nothing and not even spending that little made on players as was before. Leeds were nearly not a club and saving the club left us in a bad way if we are mid to low in champ for few years while we get back on feet with little progress made every year I think we should be happy, any small step forward is better than a step backwards (as my old postman use to say)

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02 Feb 2016 18:18:24
Progress should be measured on league position as well as the balance sheet. Watford does not support your argument as they did not go up the first season with their influx of players, they built on it in Jan and proceeding summer window as well as in Jan again.

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02 Feb 2016 14:25:21
Hopefully, we may secure a blinding loan deal but I hope our inertia is a sign of big things to come this summer. This is me frantically struggling for a crumb of comfort. That's all we have left now is hope.

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02 Feb 2016 13:47:31
I think that we have a fairly decent squad if they gel as SE hopes and with possibly a loan player or two could surprise some. I may be wrong, ups and downs and all that.
Bronteboy.

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02 Feb 2016 12:15:34
To say that I am disappointed that we have not strengthened the team with the purchase or loan of a striker and a central defender, is an understatement. All season to date we have struggled in these two positions. We don't score enough goals and we concede to many, not a good combination if you want to get out of this league. The words coming out of Steve Evans mouth as misled myself and a lot more of our supporters. We are looking like a club with little ambition and are a long way off being able to challenge for any form of promotion. The teams below us like Fulham, MK Dons, Bristol City, And Charlton have all improved their squads with good quality players and could be a threat to our own league position this season. My only hope now is that we manage to bring somebody else in in the loan window to strengthen these vulnerable area, s in our team.

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02 Feb 2016 13:43:56
Get a grip ken
Steve is doing the best he can in the cuckoo nest.

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02 Feb 2016 14:13:33
I don't necessary blame Evans for being misled by Cellino however it is becoming more evident that the "sound bites" he is offering up are a blatant attempt to continue to curry favour with our despot owner. Telling the media that he told Cellino not to progress with a signing because he personally felt it was too expensive provides little value to the fans and only goes to massage the ego of Cellino. It is undeniable that Evans has done some good work at the club, again under difficult circumstances, but he needs to stop blowing smoke up Cellino's backside.

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02 Feb 2016 11:21:34
I may be way off the mark here, but it sees to me that the January window is an expensive way to buy players and really the quality on offer for your cash is not great.

I would not be surprised to see a few players join us when the loan window opens, with a view to buying them in the summer. We know that this is MC favoured option as he gets to see what he has got before committing fully, it is probably the cheaper way to get them too.

MC will not chuck his money about without good reason, he has sorted our finances and SE says the financial results will show this.

I am remaining optimistic that we can go on a decent run and you never know where that will end up, especially if we add a couple of loans.

Or it may be that I have had a good meeting with my boss, I have just been paid and the sun is shining in this little corner of Oxfordshire this morning making me way too positive.

Whatever, Leeds forever MOT.

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02 Feb 2016 09:24:20
I hear everyone moaning but I feel its been a decent window. I can't help but feel everyone is getting annoyed because nothing was done on hype of Deadline day. if we had doen nothing all jan But we had signed Carayol/ Bridcutt and Toums on deadline day everyone would be buzzing. What we need improving and changing you can't do in one window.
The only thing I do agree is we sold bryam for 3-4 mill and saw none of it. But i'm happy all together. MOT.

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02 Feb 2016 10:38:50
I agree that, Toums, Bridcutt and Carayol would have been considered good signings on deadline day if we had signed them yesterday . However IMO we would have been in a relegation place if Bridcutt had not com in when he did , so I doubt nine of the 3 would have signed for us in that position . Just a thought, maybe we are all missing the point . Leeds in the championship, with a very low wage budget, not much transfers in. just loans etc is a profitable business! With our great support and not much outlay maybe it makes the profit a business man wants . Understandably getting to the premiere league would bring untold riches, But it would also cost in wages, transfers of better players cost more . but if you're a business man without much, money would a yearly income of say Β£1/ 2/ 3 or even 5 million only guessing, be a good amount of money to make.? Just a thought! All they have to do, is keep the fans believing, whilst taking it in, because I for one have no doubt that Mr Cellino ain't in this for his love of Leeds United .

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02 Feb 2016 10:48:45
Possibly they've looked at the position we're in and thought there was very little realistic chances of reaching the play-offs. We'd need to average 2 points per game to achieve that and whilst it's doable, it's also highly unlikely. Therefore the powers that be might consider there will be better value in the summer transfer window.
I know it's another season gone by but if we finish top 10, we might be a better proposition to attract incoming players. I can't see the point of going for broke, buying or loaning just anybody to appease the fans and then failing because the ask is too much.

MM.

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02 Feb 2016 11:02:41
Agree Mick, your better off playing coyle phillips erwin and see what they really made off than getting old ex prem players on high wages so it improves there chances of a international call up for a rubbish nation!

like I said i'm happy with the window think evans is building a sqaud. next season if he is allowed to stay will be a totally different team I reckon.

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02 Feb 2016 11:28:14
Furthermore, it looks like the only move open to Lafferty will be in the emergency loan market. Norwich wanted him to go on a permanent but now that's not an option, looks like a deal could be back on the cards. Not an ideal choice but at least we won't be lumbered with him after the season ends and can hopefully add a bit more quality in the summer transfer window.

MM.

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02 Feb 2016 11:50:23
Plus if he buys back Elland Road and Thorpe Arch, he'll have no more excuses as to how the club is losing money!

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02 Feb 2016 11:54:47
Spot on Mick. The playoffs for me were gone when we got beat by the Wendies. A run of not cracking results left us destined for mid table mediocrity. We ain't got 13M for Rhodes and the top 6 at the moment have to gamble in the transfer market with the lure of the Prem and all its riches next season. Just because we didn't sign some has been on deadline day doesn't make Celinio el Diablo! We have a manager on a temporary contract, so until that is decided why give him sh!t loads of cash? My only worry is we have been here before. If the cash is not spent in the summer, then all the Celinio haters will be justified.

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02 Feb 2016 12:14:00
i agree with you Mm. on a different note the Gaelic football season has started here in Ireland, you'r team Mayo have started badly! They have a new manager with a funny accent! I think his name is Hughie Rossler? . Mot.

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02 Feb 2016 12:25:00
If following Leeds breaks your heart, try following Mayo! Always the bridesmaids, never the bride. Still I like a trip to Dublin to see us lose!

MM.

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02 Feb 2016 13:31:16
Cannot agree more with all the posts on this thread.

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02 Feb 2016 09:08:52
So once again we miss out on a player who goes to Wendy. They are in the top 6, whilst we are in our usual position, below half way. If only our owner would give his coach the tools to do the job. We offer 300K and expect to get a player who has scored 15 goals and still the Cellino apologist on here say it was tactical, he's a great businessman. Thinking we would be back in with an improved offer. We didn't. It's time some peple woke up. Cellino is not a great businessman, he's just a bumbling fool, who seems to think we can compete by paying less wages than anyone else. You don't pay market rate, players and their agents won't entertain you. The YEP should have an interview with Cellino asking him why he thinks we don't need to spend money, whilst everyone else does.

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02 Feb 2016 09:52:00
Bet he's got more money than you have!

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02 Feb 2016 10:04:04
He's certainly got more money than me.

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02 Feb 2016 10:51:02
I'm coming around to thinking Mr Cellino thinks we are better off in The Championship, better a big dig in a small pond, than a minnow in the big league with no money . If he gambles to much and we don't go up, he's lost loads of money, if he keeps his fingers crossed we get a brilliant manager and a few bargains who prove valuable assets with the young kids coming though, it'll be jackpot . Unlikely, but what has he got to lose, fans will always be divided on him, if he keeps throwing in swerve balls, like I've had enough, I'm selling, a few of us start panicking about what will happen to the club as buyers ain't queuing up! After a few months we let it slide, he's back in the saddle, feeding us nonsense! It's ongoing . I think we need to lower our expectations, until lol a new owner, however long it takes comes in, as IMO Mr Cellino is leading the club on a merry dance, not as bad as Bates, but O reckon they both went to the same finishing school, just he's learnt from Bates' mistakes and is hiding his intentions better . Rant over MOT.

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02 Feb 2016 08:50:52
So sadly it was the case that all the rumours about the list of rumoured players were in fact just rumours. Even Survivors rumours of some sort of apocalypse were just rumours.
But rumours apart we have a manager who seems really passionate about his job, is not afraid of telling the truth and saying it as it is, I think that Evans may turn out to be our best signing this season.
We've gained Dave and hopefully will be able to sign Birdcage on a permanent.
Given a season or two I really believe that Evans will get his team and we will improve steadily.

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02 Feb 2016 08:20:17
I have been a firm supporter of MC from day 1 and always defended him or tried to convince myself that the decisions he has made have been for the right reasons.

I cannot understand why we have not strengthened in the positions we need to when there were plenty of defenders/ strikers sold/ loaned on deadline day that we could easily afford.

Now even I am losing faith and am seriously annoyed about the lies we are being fed.

MC I feel you are taking zee peace!

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02 Feb 2016 08:19:39
In my opinion its a case of last chance saloon in terms of trust in MC. Realistically we are roughly where we should have been this time last year but MC messed up big time in his first year. On a positive note finances seem to have improved considerably since his arrival. In addition this window we have kept most of our key players - ( Byram was always going) and brought in a couple of decent loans, Dave and a couple of young lads for the future. Unless you are in striking distance of the play offs or worrying about relegation January is a notoriously bad time for bringing players in. Premiership clubs have difficulties as well but they have the cash but still they often get it wrong.
Realistically we are not getting into the play-offs this time round. The sensible thing to do in my opinion is to improve our image and club profile. Why? How many decent players would want to come to Leeds at the moment? Not many. If we get stability, push on up the table and start getting positive press, players might start seeing us a positive option for them and where they have a chance of winning something. Chopping and changing managers, court cases and spats with the media do us no good at all. It makes us look like a bit of a joke. If we sort out all that Summer is the time for the next team building stage. First tie down key players with extended contracts. Then new centre half (1or 2) , Striker, playmaker in midfield/ wide player and back up goal keeper could just about do it. We could be in the play offs or at the very least close enough for sensibly boosting our chances in January. All this assumes that MC has the commitment, character and know how to do what is needed. If not any thoughts of him being right for the club will be out of the window.

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02 Feb 2016 09:19:12
Pretty much agree with all of that. No other departures apart from Sam was more important in my view in this window than any incomings. Yes we do need strengthening, but I don't feel we have missed out on any really good prospects. Something may still happen in the loan window.
I'm sure there's much more to all this, with Parkin lurking in the background.
HOWEVER, if we are to do anything next season, some SERIOUS cash will need to be splashed in the summer.
Unfortunately I don't actually believe that even MC and Parkin together have got the sort of money that's going to be required to get us back to where we belong any time soon. It's all continually disappointing and depressing.
Surely at some stage someone will come along and realise that the financial rewards of getting to the Prem are so lucrative that it's worth some speculation (but not a la Risdale) , and it just can't be done on the cheap.

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02 Feb 2016 16:54:03
How rich is Steve Gibson at m' boro?
If he can do it, why not Parkin? Just sort the structure of the club out. Having gfh sapping profit and putting nothing in i'd the big disincentive to any potential investor.

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02 Feb 2016 08:14:26
so mc is good and what state the club is in. well we now have one of the lowest wage bills ibstead of highest, sols ross so money in his pocket said buy ground back no didn't happen . sold sam . so another 3m in his pocket . window closed and evans said him him him . well no one really . yes team looking better but still no STRIKER OR STRONG CENTRAL DEFENDER . so conclusion all talk and no action . promised but lies but at least you get a pie.

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02 Feb 2016 07:54:02
Right right right lads, people talking about where the McCormack or byram money has gone, and people saying Cellino has kept it or whatever, we don't know what state the club is in, it could've gone towards debt. But the McCormack money, I know, went towards the players we bought that season, we need to remember that the money isn't just for the initial transfer but also for wages too, so yeah money I think went towards wages and debt.

Anyways have a good day,

Matching on Together.

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02 Feb 2016 07:27:41
Well done MC for making a Β£3m profit in the transfer window! Could you please spend some of the money on grass seed for the pitch as it is looking a bit ropey and I feel embarrassed when watching Leeds on the telly.
Thanks. πŸ˜‰.

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