Leeds Banter Archive March 28 2013

 

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28 Mar 2013 21:50:49
When are people going to realise that we are being made fools of. Anyone that sells shares in a club (or business ) within 4 months of its acquisition have either:
1: Not got any money
2: Are just selling off shares to make money

They have no interest in the club at all

Wake up people, we are in for a very long struggle!

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When are persons like you going to realise that if you want to make a quick buck you buy and sell the whole thing quickly?

GFH have bought the proverbial 'sleeping giant' for whatever reason, and I think they are extremely shrewd?

Would you rather them give it all back to Bates?

They may not have enough money to guarantee quick success, but they do seem to be moving the right way as far as I am concerned.

You all seem to have give Warnock a season and a half so why can't you at least give our owners the same space?

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How would they be able to sell it all after 4 months and make a profit, there were no other interested parties then so why would there be any now. They are selling 10% now, then another 10% and another, and before you know it they've made a profit!

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28 Mar 2013 21:12:54
It sounds very disturbing, anyone that has to off load after just buying the club Smacks of NO MONEY!

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On the contrary, they have seen a shrewd deal where they can buy for £20 million, sell shares and still retain ownership, it's pretty clear you have no business acumen, so why kick those that do?

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GFH bought the club in a distressed financial state. They will sell 30-40% of their stake for a similar amount to what they paid for 100% of the club.
Why can't some of our small minded fans see this as good business sense.

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They haven't 'offloaded', they have brought in investment, something KB promised to do throught his tenure. The difference is they have succeeded in doing so.

I really don't understand why everyone are so surprised that this has happened given that;

A: They said that's what they were going to do

B: They're an investment bank!

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So every time we want to buy a player we have to sell some more shares! What happens after we have sold out of shares?

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28 Mar 2013 19:34:11
ed I understand the frustration of some of our fans wanting success and bemoaing bates etc but some have got short memories as I remember when we were down to our last bootlace their wernt many takers for our club before he came in and put his hand in his pocket so I say good luck to batesy and thanks for what u did nickybee {Ed013's Note - Mr Bates will take the credit for the foundations that are in place, but he did drive a lot of the fans away}

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I am happy with the way things are going (having supported Leeds for 40+ years) but it's time Bates disappeared, I am one of the fans who won't be back until he is 'no more'

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28 Mar 2013 20:01:08
Any new money in is welcome. all I'd like to know is, is the money coming in to keep us afloat? Or will it actually benefit new quality players for next season?
I'm not sure at all really. hope it's the latter but we don't know for sure till the summer. shrew leeds

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If you rate Leeds at £30million, which is more than GFH paid then 10% investment is worth £3million?

Not a lot, but two or three more like that then we may move on.

Unfortunately, if the rumur about Bates taking the first £7 million of investment is true then I am surprised anyone is even interested?

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28 Mar 2013 19:43:15
Come on lads, let's try for one last push for the play offs.
24 points left to win and only 7 points behind. A few of the teams above us will drop points and 3 points at the tractor boys will go a long way to helping.
MOT, bring it on.

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Sorry to burst your bubble on this but I have my ticket for Ipswich. In 4 previous visits to Portman Road I have yet to see us even claim a point against generally very poor opposition. I'm really sorry but if we lose I'm the jinx.

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28 Mar 2013 17:07:12
Next season I predict Richard Naylor as manager and youth players given a chance. Unproven first team manager = low wage and youth players = lower wages! Save GFH spending! Just think there's been lot of talk on OS about young un's signing first contracts, how great Naylor is and how Sam Byram is a great example!

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As GFH have stated they want promotion as soon as possible, your theory has little chance, money will be made available to the new manager and it won't be Naylor.

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A bit of a gamble, untried manager and untried youngsters but on the other hand it's where O'Leary started.

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I think the youngsters are been signed up so their not plucked up by other clubs. under the new rules bigger clubs can have their pick of our acadamy.

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"I think the youngsters are been signed up so their not plucked up by other clubs. under the new rules bigger clubs can have their pick of our acadamy"

And rightly so, Leeds have invested in these guys, so we should get a return. People are saying that Byram will be sold, if he does go he has a 3 year contract to buy out, on my reckoning that has to be worth at least £5 million?

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This is the time of year when a club decides which of it's youth players have earned a contract. It happens every year and has no bearing on next years plans. Most of those signed will be sent out on loan to gain experience.

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In reply to those who have disagreed with my comment that we sign academy players to professional contracts every year and that it does not reflect on next seasons squad. I would like to point out that in the last 3 season we have give contracts to:

Antelmi
Byram
Cairns
Clamp
Dawson
Gimpel
Grimes
Killock
Lenighan
Mowatt
Parkin
Payne
Poleon
Taylor
L Turner
N Turner
Walters

Only 1 of these 18 players has made regular 1st team appearences. Other may very well make the grade in the same way as Byram but they will not affect the clubs transfer policy for next season

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28 Mar 2013 16:47:51
Alex Mowett just signed a 2 year deal with us I knew it was only a matter of time until he signed for us who do you guys think will sign next.


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28 Mar 2013 16:15:55
i actually love the idea of different investers after all they all want the same which is to make leeds a force again investors don't invest to make a team to get relagated do they! can only be a plus so gods sake stop with the negativity ppl!

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28 Mar 2013 14:58:32
Hi just heard that former England boss SvenGoran Ericsson wants another challenge. His agent is in talk with our CEO. Suits in the steps of Warnock. About the same age but bigger cv. Let�s bring him in.

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He would need a lot of money all the clubs he has managed had a lot of money for him to spend and as for England he had the golden generation and failed

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28 Mar 2013 21:05:22
Worste choice possible. Did you see his last shot at the championship. Spent millions on players that didn't perform and they lost money on a lot of them players.

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28 Mar 2013 14:05:26
Tis good. Gfh doing good slowly. can't be easy getting wealthy investors to put money into a football team, especially one out of top flight for so long even with our potential. It is just frustrating it all takes longer than what fans want
Money. Then new manager. Then better team. Then the prem. then investors get their pay day. Get those pigeons to trot eh!

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28 Mar 2013 13:10:57
Get Phil Neville in on a 1 or 2 year contract and let him 'do a Strachan' and captain us to promotion. I know he is not the same player as Strachan, but he will 100% definitely drive the team and ensure that the whole squad are focused and there are no passengers on the pitch.

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I love this idea. I like the football man u play but let's get an untried manager who was a defender to gamble our future with. Got my vote?

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There are no better pro's out there than silly Philly. he's everything Brown wishes he was.

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Ausman, I think you have misunderstood. The OP is suggesting he comes as a player not manager, hence the 'doing a Strachan' comment Strach was never our manager!

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My bro is an everton fan, and he says he is the worst captain in the history of the club.
to suggest he can be a new strachan is beyond contempt, strach could pass, shoot, create, talk, shout and not be the man who everytime he touches the ball ruins the move.
watch him for toffees and you will see how bad that guy realy is (that man robbed a career)

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28 Mar 2013 12:21:43
This investment bank recorded losses of over 9m us$ in 2011, 20. 7us$ 2010, not exactly money men are they, I think were going to have a boardroom full of sheikhs without a pot to piss in.

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Stop looking for the negatives all the time. GFH are looking to move the club forward, give them the opportunity before you start slating the latest investment. No wonder Leeds are struggling to find wealthy investors. They must be put off by all of the conspiracy theories and negativity.

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It's not as simple as looking at yearly profit or loss figures asthey don't tell you how much money a company has on its books.

Latest financial report shows them to have $168m on balance sheet up $8m from previous year.

They may have lost money in previous 2 years but that doesn't mean they have no money, Abramovic lost in the region of $2 billion a few years back but he could afford to do so.

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28 Mar 2013 12:05:03
The new investment is good news. Whatever they have received for their 10% though the first £7m goes to make the final 01/05 payment to master Bates. This means the spectre of him returning is gone forever. Yipee but look out Plymouth!.

It also means that Mr Pearson and his Saudi cashpoint may come back to the table as mssrs Parkin and Stubbs wanted 51% or nothing at all and the thought of investing in to something these two had controlling interest in was what was keeping them at arms length. Just the small matter of a new manager now.

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"The new investment is good news. Whatever they have received for their 10% though the first £7m goes to make the final 01/05 payment to master Bates. This means the spectre of him returning is gone forever. Yipee"


Not sure what part of cloud cuckoo land you reside in, but 10% of the total shares would not be worth anything like enough to deduct £7million from unless GFHC have somehow more than tripled the value they paid for the club just four months ago?

Until the actual SUM invested becomes known there's nothing to jump up and down about?

If you rate Leeds to be worth £30million (which is more than GHF-C paid for it) then it's easy to see that 10% of that (ie around £3million) wouldn't even buy a decent player, let alone set the world on fire?

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but Bates ain't gone yet - not by a long way!

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GFH paid Bates £19 plus £2m in costs and some upfront to seal some of the [pittiful] January window activity. They paid £12m in cash with £7m due on the first of May. if they don't pay the £7m their first payment is forfeited and back comes Master Bates. The reason the Parkins, Pearsons et al are hanging around is because they wanted to be there to save the GFH bacon and get a lot more for their £7m.

You will discover that the 10% sold came with a loan note for the difference to make up Mater Bates second payment.

Now with everything done GFH will look to entice others to do the same. Pay for an element of equity and at the same time push funds forward for investment on a personal loan basis.

It is far more healthier than simply having debt [Glaziers and Hicks etc] as the ones loaning the money are involved with equity in the club.

GFH were brave in that they gambled they could get further investment in before the May 1st deadline. They struggled at first because Bates demanded to stay as Chairman until the debt was paid and that put the likes of the Saudi and Pearson off.

He has gone if the deal has been done and all indicators inside the club is that it has.

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28 Mar 2013 11:37:32
So GFH C have sold a 10% stake in LUFC to IIB. A question to all other fellow supporters, how many more letters of the alphabet will be accounted for with the other various strategic investors GFH are seeking?

Eltez MOT

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28 Mar 2013 11:31:23
I don't like the idea of several different investors, it just gives you more chance of conflict when it comes to crucial club decisions, because every investor will want a say and a place on the board, then what happens if 2 or 3 want out who buy's, I would rather they sell one large share to someone who is not out of touch with English football, what does this Bahrain investment bank know about football, come to think of it does anyone at elland rd apart from fans know anything about football, we need someone who really knows about the English game not harvey he's useless not got a clue, how about a couple of fans, someone like Gary Edwards who we all know is Leeds through and through and knows the history of the club get him on the board and maybe a couple others.

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Thios is why GFH want to retain the controlling interest, they will be able to over-rule all the other investors.

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It works for arsenal! {Ed001's Note - Arsenal don't have several different investors, just a number of owners, none of whom actually invest money into the club. Arsenal's money does not come from the board.}

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28 Mar 2013 10:31:40
Well I have sat back, read and listened to all you twisted, negative, personic morons, who continually slag everything about the club. what is wrong with you people, you all should be ashamed of yourselves, it is time you all shut up and started joining the true supporters who back this club through every possible issue. Ok I understand that we have been through the mill, after 50 years you get thick skinned, but let's talk sense, firstly new owners who will attract new investment that's what they always said so no complaints there. Secondly NW he has built a new team, now come on give him credit where it is due, we are still hovering outside the playoff's, it is pretty clear to me that if we had started the season with this squad we would be up by now, anyone who has seen most teams in this division will agree me. Thirdly now please take this in, LUFC are operating in the black, it is fact every other Championship side are struggling by either just having no money or have spent crazy money and where as it got them, I tell you all now LUFC for the last 12 months has laid a foundation to really move forward, if we miss out this year so what it is clear everyone in the club is moving in the right direction, (OH sorry the crap wagon brigade that keep slagging us I forgot about them lot) ask yourselves how long ago was it when we had this, yes the people who talk crap you are free to join us we are the true LUFC supporters.
Well I am really optimistic now and next season than I have been for the last 10 seasons, now that's a long time. let's all keep the faith.
I now wait for the Crap wagon club to slag me off.
Kevin Leeds 50 years

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Don't know why anyone would disagree with this, this has made my day.

I for one am fed up of the pessimism, for example I made a joke with my colleague this morning (also a Leeds fan). The joke was about how long it would take for a Leeds fan to say its the start of Bates buying us back, the answer? all of 10 mins later I saw a comment saying exactly that.

They need to understand not everything that happens to Leeds is a plot to destroy the club from within haha.

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I'm not a fully qualified member of the crap wagon (yet) thankfully, and I must admit I do share your views about feeling better about next season than I have for many years now!

I'd just like to see Bates GONE - total - 100% -finito - no more (I won't go into the dead parrot sketch!) because he has had his day, he has done what he could (for whoever - mainly himself) and while he still remains at this club in any capacity many will not return.

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You don't have to wait for facts. Banter sites can include opinion and guess what. Opinions can be wrong. And that includes people who say nothing and then pretebd they knew all along. Just like my 5 yr old

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28 Mar 2013 16:03:00
hovering round the playoffs, blows your agument out of the water really
gaz1966

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28 Mar 2013 10:53:20
Gfh obviously can't afford to spend 10 million on players but if they sell 90% of Leeds united to 9 investers and keep 10 % for themselves then all 10 investors can put in 1 million for players which makes it easier on all partys.
Not sure if this is right but isn't the new rules each investor can put in up to 6 million in each.

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28 Mar 2013 10:08:45
interesting!
10% stake to rich company + another 10% to another rich company etc, how devilishly clever - we're going up next season IF NOT THIS! As long as there's a mathmatical chance - if we scrape up the dosh will be there to sustain us :-D

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28 Mar 2013 09:53:29
Call me mad but I can actually see an overall plan coming together.

What's better than having 1 multi million pound investment company take over our club?

Try several multi million pound investment companies.

After all GFH-C clearly do not have the financial power to get us to the top alone, and the billionaire owners of yesteryear are few and far between, if GFH-C manage to convince 5 or 6, large investment companies that we, Leeds United, are a good long term investment then we may well end up with the financial backing required to get us back to the top of british football.

You decide, would you prefer to be a Championship club with one sole owner, or a Premier League club with multiple multi millionaire owners?

MOT SussexLeeds

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Great idea and I really hope it works and they don't go down the route of QPR. Several large invstors who at the end of the day could not agree a strategy and ended up with a buy out and reduced investment.

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28 Mar 2013 09:38:45
Bahrain Investment Bank have bought 10%

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28 Mar 2013 08:37:53
Luke Parkin signed a pro deal with Leeds.
Steve Parkin takeover rumours.

any relation LOL

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28 Mar 2013 08:07:10
Radio 5 live Leeds to confirm 10% sale to investor today

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28 Mar 2013 07:15:21
I may be one of the most pessimistic people on this site, but I don't think anybody should be knocking Warnock or GFH/GFHC until it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to get promotion?

Warnock has offered to go early if required, and despite my opinion that his tactics are hopeless and out dated, what more can he do other than resign and break his contract? In theory he could STILL get the team promoted, even if it is looking less likely with each game?

As far as GFH/GFHC are concerned, they HAVE combined all the business into one manageable 'lump' so to speak (even if it doesn't include our ground and training facilities?) At least any future sale, should it happen, should not be the long protracted affair their takeover was.

They have lowered ticket prices and season ticket prices and have to support Warnock while the team still has a chance of promotion?

Untill promotion is an impossibility we need to wait and see what happens.

. although if/when it DOES become an impossible task I think they all need to act quickly, and not wait till the end of the season (or even the start of the next one) to show their intentions.

Many people on here are asking for them to show their intent, but how can they when nothing is decided - yet?

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28 Mar 2013 06:10:05
Just get mcd in now. Best of the bunch and just what we need
Gfh. Harvey. WArnot. Whoever. Pull your bloody finger out, yknow, do some work and sign him up today. Sell someone or sonething to pay warbock out ir have em both for a few weeks. Just do bloody something you lazy persons

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27 Mar 2013 23:07:08
I like the idea of the Fan Share, how would you get something like this up and running? Who would coordinate this?

Portsmouth & Coventry seem to have a grip on Supporter Trusts! Why can't we be the Barcelona of English football?

Others seem to make nowt but a real mess and embarrass our club and its supporters when they are calling the shots, is it time to unite.

Any thoughts and comments?

LUFC Always MOT

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Unfortunately the team doesn't actually NEED baling out, so anything like this is probably going to be hard to administer, unless GFH themselves start the ball rolling.

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