Leeds Banter Archive August 28 2014

28 Aug 2014 20:54:09
All over the news that Hockaday is out!

28 Aug 2014 22:10:48
Always look on the bright side of life!.

28 Aug 2014 20:18:35
Massimo has realised and corrected his mistake (and it was a mistake)

Let's hope he now appoints someone of the calibre required to take this club forward on the pitch and make a reality of his and our Premier League dreams

I doubt any of the experienced names mentioned would touch us with a barge pole with the goings on at ER. Sad to say but we're the laughing stock of football league at the moment. Could do with Redders chalking a win or three up over the next four games to calm everyone down a bit.

MM

Make a list of 6 coaches you would like at Leeds.

Now ask yourself 'would they honestly take the job'.

This is the future under MC.

Doubt it, he'll go for cheap & cheerful 'coach' again

MC hired 36 coaches people will clearly work for him. be supired what people will do for a pound note. now let's hope he gets his wallet out and gets someone decent. redfern will be massive step up form hock

The fact that he hired 36 in such a short space of time suggests to me that MC isn't too great at picking coaches.

28 Aug 2014 23:39:08
Bermondsey
you have had a lot of stick over the hock but to all the give him 10 games would you have gone to won one lost nine?
Steve Clarke if he could work with MS could be good.

{Ed007's Note - Steve Clarke doesn't have MS.}

Typo ED ;) Massimo Cellino need to stop been lazy.

It is my mindset but I always look at what they have done before, if good I will give them time and support until they mess up. Hock was a joke which poor record so I wanted him out until he proved me wrong which I didn't think he would and sadly he didnt. i'd of prefered it if he won all his games and i'd of looked like a burke. everything he said didn't help. hopfeully next guy deserves a chance. I don't mind uproven give them a chance but can't stomach proven failure

Mr happy that's a good point about the coaches but look at other side. he took small calgai a seria b team and made them a long stay seria a team changing the club around. I will happily have two coaches a year if we become a long stay feature in prem. not saying I agree with methods but something worked at calgria and I respect that.

B
Well put and I like the positivity ;)

28 Aug 2014 20:15:30
Not going to comment on DH sacking. Very happy with Neil Redfearn as interim coach (I would have given him a chance from the beginning), and very interested to see his team choice for Saturday.

28 Aug 2014 20:11:35
Is it me or now that hockaday is sacked. suddenly loads of people are against Cellino for not keeping faith?

Nope. no one is thinking or saying that.

28 Aug 2014 20:51:12
NO it's just you dreggs

Dan71071
Look on the rumours page mate!

Sorry. I meant no one in their right mind.

28 Aug 2014 19:53:53
I think that in order the people who could do the job

1. Di Matteo - the guy seems to have not been able to get a job since Chelsea which is ludicrous. Very good exp with the head coach role at West Brom and could be happy with the Italian setup

2. Zola - many the same reasons as above head coach exp and Italian and experienced

3. Sherwood - Would love him also has head coach exp and would relish the big club atmosphere but somehow seems to have his heart on the Prem. Would definetely be worth the phone call to see if genuinely interested.

28 Aug 2014 20:03:44
Would be more than happy with any of them!

Pulis did a great job at Palace, knows the game inside out, c'mon Massimo, get somebody in ho knows what they're doing, give him a say who we sign, until the next window he's more than enough to work with, hell get us organised and hard to beat, players will respect him, please not some unknown, unproven Italian.you cocked up badly with Hockaday, nows your chance to put it right.

28 Aug 2014 20:29:27
I like the look of Oscar Garcia and he is available.

None of the coaches mentioned above will even consider taking the job at LUFC. Look further down your list (a lot further!).

My choice is Steve Clark. The guy seems to like head coach appose to a manager role

Rhino, pullis won't want to come he left palace as he didn't have control over transfers

Pullis brand of football is poor-that's why Stoke got rid, they wanted to entertain

Hope he consults Eddie Gray.

29 Aug 2014 05:16:46
Lucas, pulis may come because for right now there can't be transfers well not by time he comes. He may think he can sweet talk mc into giving him a say.

28 Aug 2014 19:51:08
To Bermondsey White and the other Hock haters.

HOPE THAT YOU ARE ALL HAPPY NOW!

I AM - Off down the pub for a calibration pint

Love to know what a calibration pint is? Is it one you judge all others by?

I'm already on my third.

Predictive text - but quite the like the thought of a Calibration pint to judge others by - I suggest Timothy Taylor's or Sneck Lifter

A calibration pint is a pint of Guinness that has just settled perfectly as you grasp it to take your first mouthfull

Has to be Gales HSB (now brewed by Fullers) or Westons Old Rosie Cider.

Both the best in their field (in my tastebuds anyway)

I love mi beers Leeds but love de REAL Guinness too ;)

28 Aug 2014 19:34:00
Well that's it Hockadays a goner, couldn't even hazard a guess who will come in, it will be interesting.

{Ed013's Note - I don't think Hazard will coach Leeds mate ;)

Oscar Garcia
Rolando Maran

Two names in the frame

28 Aug 2014 20:06:48
Are we talking Micky or Edin or even Thorgan?

28 Aug 2014 18:49:33
Having seen all the signings this transfer window, I can see why Cellino appointed Hockaday.
Think about it - he has had a limited time frame to buy a whole new team. In the meantime he needed someone to keep them fit and 'ticking along' until all the players are in place - a caretaker. You can change a coach / manager anytime and I think once the transfer window is closed and he has his players he will then make a move for the right man. Feeling more positive.

28 Aug 2014 17:55:50
Hockaday won't be sacked until after the transfer window has closed, giving the new coach/manager no chance of bringing any players in. Smells like something Ken Bates would do.

Not really Leedsleedsleeds
He would have sold Ross for 1.5 million (in January), plunged us into administration again, sold ER again to one of his make-believe companies, and we'd be -22 points now in League 1.
Mind you, we might have Warnock back in charge!

LeedsLeedsleeds

What a fool you made yourself look, sayin MC is the new Bates OMG

28 Aug 2014 16:08:59
got a FB post from Millwall supporting mate. it is a new story from Hock posted on the day we lost to bradford. it basicly states the hock reckons we will be in champions league soon. Is Hock going out of his way to make us look stupid? he is a man u fan having a laugh or just bit slow in the head? He should not be allowed to speak in public let alone to the press. Not sure what else he can say to make us look any sillier. I did make an angrier post ealier but think it was stopped for my stone him on halfway line and bury him alive in Revie way. Hope this post makes it past the reviewers

Bermondsey mate. Don't hold back, just say what you feel lol

I'll get the shovel Bermondsey. Honestly as an unemployed man desperately seeking work it sickens me to see somebody so inept in such a well paid job (maybe not well paid by football standards, but still in comparison to the rest of us). How does he manage it? I really want to know his secret for succeeding with no talent or intelligence.

I have mentioned the Champions League thing elsewhere and it is rants like this from Hockaday which truly endorse the guy hasn't got a clue what is going on.

. from obscurity into the Champions League?

He could teach Doctor Who a few things about time travel?

Not going to happen while he is around. The most we can hope for is to avoid a relegation battle while he is in charge?

Yeh my mate told me about it but he said Hockadays comment was "MC will get LUFC into the champions league"

28 Aug 2014 15:53:13
Is anyone else concerned at the lack of quality players we are signing at the moment, to be honest with the exception of Sharp the players I have seen to date are no better than the players that are already at the club. If Cellino is the genius he claims to be, how can he not see we are lacking quality wingers & why are we not recruiting to these positions

spot on. I think most of us - especially long-in-the-tooth bods like me who can actually remember when we had a team full of good players - are very concerned like you about this influx of mediocrity instead of some fit, talented performers. I think the main issue as I've posted before is money. Anybody decent will not come to us for what Cellino will offer them. It's sad that football has come to this, but look at the Prem this window - players like Di Maria etc changing hands for staggering amounts of brass. That said, I don't think Cellino has thought this through properly. He appoints an person who couldn't manage a sweetshop, then let's him pick a team like last night's which nearly all of us agree on here won't win an argument, let alone a game. Even the better performers like Sharp don't look fit, Smith is clumsy and his only asset is his height - so he should have scored from that last gasp cross in injury time. We have no width, no pace and no shape. At last if MC gets a coach in who knows what he's doing, he might be able to make the best of what we have. Wackaday just simply has no idea….why did he not use the subs knowing that the team had been down to 10 men for an hour and were goosed until Poleon came on just before the end? How much more evidence of Wackaday's incompetence does Cellino need? Despite a few of the lads doing their best, by the end of the game last night I was bordering on the suicidal at the staggering humiliation of it all. So no mate, it's not just you!

28 Aug 2014 18:05:51
Montenegro and Doukara will be the wingers

After last night I don't rate Sharp, how many times did he even touch the ball?

28 Aug 2014 20:27:05
Doukara is definately not a winger, he will run through a barn door for you, but is touch is lousy & doesn't have the necessary skill to go past players

28 Aug 2014 15:13:14
Hockaday quoted as saying that the selection for the Bradford game was correct. He stated that the team selected itself as berardi and austin were not available. Sums up Hockaday that he sees Austin, Tonge and Murphy as his certain starters. The likes of Cook, Benedici, Dawson will not get a look in with this plum picking the team

Worrying. To say the least!

28 Aug 2014 13:54:02
My ratings for last night


Taylor - 7
Wootton - 5
Pearce - 5
Cooper - 4
Warnock - 5
Tonge - 4
Murphy - 2
Bianchi - 5
Norris - 5
Smith - 5
Sharp - 5

Bit generous imo

28 Aug 2014 15:53:30
Wooton must've played out of his skin to receive a rating of 5

Thought pearce edged it as man of the match just ahead of taylor and both just ahead of warnock. Thought wooten played well as rb not quite out of skin but closer to an 8 than a 5. Liked smith and thought sharp tried hard. think smith and sharp could be useful with right tactics and with some work together. I want us to be direct and hoof ball. our midfeild is weak so try and by pass it to our stikers who suit that style of play and are better than our midfields. play to strenghts try and work around weakness. wing back system and be direct with lots of long balls. pretty no but then neither is our play at the moment. this way we might get some points. might. but then what do I know. over to the hock and his beloved diamond

Well let's start making a list of crappy players and managers. I'll start with Thomas Brolin - I'm struggling with managers because to be honest, since the Don was my first, nothing else has matched up, and we haven't had anyone I really loved since - though some would possibly been great if they'd been allowed to spend any money. My two best recollections are been crammed in amongst a 57,000 + crowd for a cup replay (when the capacity was 52,000), and an Eddie Gray goal where he beat about 30 players and the applause went on for what seemed like 3 days - someone with a better memory will tell us what match that was

Best memory for me was away at Molineux FA Cup Leeds win 3-1 Eddie Gray playing full back runs length of pitch dribbling round lots of Wolves players before curling it in from around 25 yards. About 1979/80. Allan Clarke was manager. Close second David Harvey saves Martin Peters free kick against Norwich, I was in Boys pen in Kop around same time. Worst player, Ray Wallace ( Rods twin) . Worst manager Jimmy Adamson .

28 Aug 2014 21:51:27
Grays goal was against Burnley.

Cheers Paddy. Knew someone would know

Think it was Leicester city that 57000 match and was our highrest attendance

28 Aug 2014 13:36:54
Would like CARLOS DARWIN QUINTERO or a winger of similar standard
HOCKADAY OUT

28 Aug 2014 13:01:28
Heard this morning that Hockaday has been told he must get a result against Bolton anything less than a win and he's off. Several people are already in discussions with Cellino but no solid candidate. I know who i'd love but can't see it, sherwood or pulis, agree?

Yep, either of those would do Cal, but I can't see Sherwood coming north and Pulis would want a lot more than we can pay him

28 Aug 2014 12:14:33
Leeds are set to sign 21yo Paraguayan striker Brian Montenegro, who plays for a club in his home country. His medical is purportedly on Friday.

28 Aug 2014 10:54:58
woke up this morning still no signs of hock being signed. let's get this right with 11 players we did nothing against a thrown together team from league 1. our game plan is none exsitant we have no idea what we are trying to do. we play hoof but it is inneffective as not set up for it. when we kept it on deck it is pedestrain with lack of movement and in areas that don't hurt the opposition. marking again bad on set plays. diamond again? they say the definition of crazy is to try the same thing with different results. either crazy or no idea what else to do? poor disapline also points to frustration, lack of focus or repesct for coach. if Hock don't go bring on bolton lose, they if hock don't go bring on who is next lose (and repeat until fired) anyone who disagrees please wait till my pattern is wrong. the man is to blame for everything wrong at leeds and it will not pick up till gone. I am not crazy I do not expect to do the same and get different results. Hock = loss

We will shortly be in limbo as regards Hockaday. I have seen this happen before when the axe is poised and indecision sets in. Look at Blackburn and Kean, their former manager . I predict we will draw on Saturday which will leave us. in limbo.

Hi BW.
Totally agree with your post, Hockajoke should have been sacked by now. He is totally out of is Depth!
He is a proven failed coach who has jumped at the chance of managing the greatest team in the world! For that I can't blame the guy.
However, I think its time to start venting frustration and anger at Cellino. He is the Pizza Brained Pratt that hired Him in the first place and He is the one allowing Hockajoke to continue making us look so ridiculous!
DONkey Cellino needs to get this sorted asap mate!
MOT

I know I have had differing opinions to you in the past, but you do speak a lot of sense and now I am eating my words. It is time for a change, without it I do fear the pattern will continue and will be very difficult for anyone else to turn it into a half decent season.
I know it is early in the season to knee jerk, but I can't see it changing while the status quo remains.
He either is out of his depth, or the players are not responding to his requests/direction, either way its time to look at other options, my fear is that there is anyone with quality available who is prepared to simply be the coach and not the manager? Any suggestions?

Kebabman takes a big person to say when might be wrong and I have been there many times. my optomistic bets included Rickets to be top goalscorer in championship, Leeds to go up under Warnock and Leeds to go up under McDermott. wouldn't be football fans if not wrong more often than right. Sadly I thought Hock was out of depth from start and wanted him sacked straight away as couldn't see how he could do anything other than fail. Wish I was wrong but looks like sadly I was right

28 Aug 2014 13:05:24
I Agree with you Kebabman, I can't see a manager with any sort of pedigree wanting to come to leeds to be a yes man and have no influence on the Squad, Cellino needs to sort the mess OFF the pitch (I.E. stadium, training park, etc) and get in a manager who can be left to build a squad capable of competing in this league as at the moment bringing in second rate foreign players who have no idea of the strains of this league (probably one of the most competitive in the world) just isn't going to work!

Would love steve clarke but just can't see that happening

I think Steve Clarke would be a great bet. Before he started his managerial career he had a cracking career as head coach at a number of top clubs with top managers. When at Chelsea he won Leagues/cups etc, so maybe his best position at a club is the coach and not a manager. If he could work in this way again, he would be a great coach for Leeds. Failing that, let's go for Gus Hiddink

28 Aug 2014 10:15:02
lots of effort last night but if we play to smiths strengths we have to use wingers otherwise its hoofball up the middle which nobody wants

28 Aug 2014 09:10:33
I for one was not impressed with yesterday's performance by the Hock. Wootton is not a right back and not good enough in general, Tonge no pace, Norris tried but again no pace, Murphy brainless, Warnock did ok but he is not the future and Smiths inclusion always sees us revert to the long ball.
The basic problem is no pace in midfield and no width. Brad fords full backs were giving us so many problems with some superb crosses whereas Wootton just lumped the ball in with no pace from just inside their half.
Sharp works the front line, I watched him at ER last year and his movement across the line was excellent and created a goal. With the ball rarely going wide that negates that part of his game and is restricted to just looking for Smiths knock ons or going wide himself.
The Hock should have hauled Murphy off after that first challenge it was obvious what was going to happen and I can help thinking that these sendings off are a result of players who don't care.
Also can he not see that we lack pace all over the park! I want to see Cook, Mowatt, Taylor and Dawson given a chance too.
We need a couple of attacking full backs and a David Batty type of midfielder to cover them.
The Hock is just not good enough, according to him we matched Watford and Bradford and that shows just how far we have come under him. I cannot see a style of play or a system that has me confident in the future and we do not look like a team full of goals but we do look like a side capable of conceding.
Worrying times

Totally agree

Wasn't a game for the kids that, we needed the older players in a fierce Derby. Bolton on Saturday is different though, i'd play Cook, Benedicic and Ajose over Norris, Tonge and Smith.

I made similar posts last season, if you watched the games last season I felt that the defence was always under pressure because of ineffective midfield. Obviously the front line don't then get the service. I am no coach but nothing appears to have changed. The players individually may be ok but as a unit they are not.

Agree Mitchell. I want to see the newbies and youngsters given a chance NOW - but last night's game was not the game to start it. I will be gutted and very unimpressed unless there are significant changes on Saturday - I think 7 or 8 changes could easily be justified (though I'm guessing that won't happen)

28 Aug 2014 12:19:51
Totally agree 1LU, problem is if you believe half of what is currently being written then there is no way Cellino will allow Hockaday to give the young players you mentioned a chance, too much quantity rather than quality . MOT

28 Aug 2014 08:42:54
Lets get some perspective here after last night. With all due respect to them this was Bradford we were playing! A first division side full of free transfers and loan players. With ten men we should be beating sides of this level but even with eleven men on the pitch we had no shots on goal and were average at best! Have we just settled for mediocre after putting up with ten years of cr*p? Because that's what we are. Any squad with Wooton, Norris, Tonge, Murphy, Austin, White, Hunt, Poleon, Ajose and Warnock, all average or below average players, in it have no chance of success. And don't tell me Poleon is young and has improvement in him, he's had enough time to show it and is average at best. Warnock tries but can't get up and down the line as he's too old. If these Italians sitting on the sidelines turn out to be more of the same (and by the way the one playing last night did litte or nothing) we are in trouble again. Bring in some quality!

Agree, my biggest worry is we have no direction or game plan. I have seen bradford for one game. they play quick passing, focus on set plays. they squeeze midfield and bring fullbacks forward they are directed when needed. I have now seen leeds for four games plus highlights I have no idea what our game plan is and neither do the players this is biggest worry

28 Aug 2014 13:10:06
missed morison

28 Aug 2014 07:52:44
I think the sending off obviously cost us, but was struggling to understand our midfield selection yet again. DH needs to rein in his squad, lack of discipline and intelligence. Bad challenge by sharp but if a player had gone and grabbed an opposing manager by neck would he still be on the pitch?

Have we regained our 'Dirty Leeds' tag after all these years?

Oh I DO hope so! We just need bring back the reason for the jealousy that went with it first time around (quality!!)

27 Aug 2014 23:44:14
I am actually coming round to the idea that hockaday is actually trying to get us to play football, but is let down by individual errors and insane red cards. I think we need to see how he does once all the new signings are in, the squad is settled and all our players are fit and available for selection and buy in to what we are trying to do.

Disagree 100% he has not shown clear game plan and the one he talks up is wrong any person with half a brain can see our best chance of results is to squeeze up game, almost by pass our very weak midefield and play far more direct. this would bring the best out of smith and sharp (who could be good at this level) and help our weak midfeild. we are not a team of footballers we had one player who could play football and he has gone to fulham. I would play wingbacks, this helps our two left footed defnders pushes bryam (now our best footballer) forward and gives crosses and width two things that will get the best out of our two biggest threats smith and sharp. certainly better than this on the deck passing he talks about yet fails to show (when we pass the ball it is with no movement or purpose and in areas that do not hurt the opposition even the mighty bradford)