Leeds Banter Archive October 26 2015

26 Oct 2015 19:07:03
If, as I read somewhere that we have fourth lowest wage bill in the championship then we probably deserve to finish fourth bottom.
Until MC starts paying top wages to players and managers we are destined to stay at he lower reaches of the championship for a long time.
How do we get the premier league riches if we never get there.
We have to speculate to accumulate, not hope for the best!

26 Oct 2015 20:52:55
Danum

I foresee the investment you wish for will occur in the summer.

26 Oct 2015 21:08:11
U sound like gypsy lee rose George!

26 Oct 2015 21:17:40
George
Can you suggest 6 lottery numbers for Saturday pal?
Ta.

26 Oct 2015 22:36:56
Investment from who?

26 Oct 2015 22:58:16
Cork

Cellino said 2 seasons for promotion inc this one otherwise he sells. He will want a real good crack at it next season for sure. Cellino will provide the funds.

Speedyg you and me both bro.

27 Oct 2015 08:53:08
Didn't Ridsdale speculate to accumulate?!!

27 Oct 2015 09:13:12
Good point kjc. I would prefer a financially stable Leeds United in any league than one who gambled on promotion and very nearly went bust. Some people have very short memories, including some of the teams in our league who living beyond their means.

MM.

27 Oct 2015 09:37:40
On right we're all happy to stay in the bottom half of the championship then (for ever) as long as we've got money in the bank. How exciting. At least under Ridsdale we had great team playing at the top of the premier league and in the champions league.
We may as well forget that team ever existed. I know Ridsdale was an idiot but that team gave us some great times and great memories.

27 Oct 2015 10:38:15
I know what he said George. I also don't believe everything that man says either. Buy back ER just one bull statement. And surely if he was going to invest substantially for promotion why would he wait until next season when investment this season would give the team more time to gel for his two year plan. 2 million for Wood is peanuts compared to what other clubs are buying. I can see where MM is coming from regarding over stretching the clubs finances but I believe unless a manager is given time to build a squad on a budget spending big is the only way to get promotion.

27 Oct 2015 10:59:38
No-ones saying that danum. I'm all for investment but I don't think success is borne out of chairman throwing money at it. It comes from the right infrastructure, key people in the right positions, a good academy and then investment. Cellino, although he's a loon, seems to be learning the right way to do things from Adam Pearson.

What if we throw a few million at the team, gain promotion and then struggle the following seasons and drop back into the Championship with players on huge contracts? Do you think that is good? All for a season of glory?

I don't want to see this happen to us or worse. What if we kept sliding down the leagues (Portsmouth) and went bankrupt?

I've got fond memories of Leeds United when my old man first started taking me in the early 80s and first and foremost would sooner still have a Leeds United to talk about rather than reminisce about a team that no longer existed.

MM.

27 Oct 2015 11:21:09
isn't this season 2 of cellino, s master plan?

27 Oct 2015 11:32:16
Mick, good players get you promotion. Silver, Fotherby and Wilkinson knew as much. that's why they bought Strachan, Fairclough, Jones and Chapman. Expensive enough buys back then but players who would take us up. And that's what they did!

27 Oct 2015 12:04:55
True enough Corkie but I wouldn't put Cellino and Evans in the same category as Silver and Wilkinson and yes this did work but they weren't extortionate fees at the time, just very shrewd buys by a manager who bought players in with something to prove. Money doesn't simply guarantee success - look at QPR.

MM.

27 Oct 2015 12:46:28
Mick, I remember Fotherby saying Leeds "threw the kitchen sink" at promotion on Wilkos 2nd season. Actually the fees were quite large for the time and way above most div1 teams. Not saying do same now but maybe its the only way, as MC will not give a manager time to build a team on relatively low budget. I know we are Leeds but it is time to get back where we belong. Mot.

27 Oct 2015 13:19:39
Cork

Even back then the buys you mentioned were bargains. I agree with MM. It's all about infrastructure first. I want to see these youngsters come on a bit before they hang with better more experienced players. Such a strategy also allows us to focus and identify weak areas. Next summer is the key. I'd like to see an excellent goalkeeper with box skills, 2 quick central defenders, a great passing midfielder, a defensive midfielder as cover for Adeyemi and 2 free scoring strikers. This in transfer fees alone is approx 20 million pound commitment. I'm sure Cellino will give it his all next summer but he is better than previous owners despite his madness.

27 Oct 2015 13:30:51
You right George but ehy wait till next season? Should of been done this season and if fail to go up this season push on next. Obvious i'd say.

27 Oct 2015 19:22:02
all things in moderation.
MC must set a competitive (flexible) budget but be willing to stretch if a bargain comes along. I agree that we tie one hand behind our back if we are low payers. Sad to say only desperate players would want to play for a volatile volcano like MC by that I mean desperate for work or desperate to prove something. The main aquisitions must be a new Adam Pearson and a new fighting/quality/proven manager and then stick with him. If he goes on a losing streak don't panic, stick with him. If he was the stand out right man when hired. He is still the right man. that man may well be Evans, though I have my doubts.
All thro this season with Rosler I have said that we are not that far away from being the real deal on the pitch. We have never been mauled and even on the losses there have been positives either, most possesion or most shots etc. Losses have been by one mistake and a single goal in games where we have been competing. I also have to agree that we need reinforcements altho feel that the answer may well be already at Leeds without having to shell out more money.

26 Oct 2015 10:34:02
I am not a Steve Evans fan, not enough class to hold such a position in my opinion. The same can be said for The Hock, Darko, Redders and Uwe. You would not put a guy who owns a corner shop in charge of ASDA`s and that is what MC is doing, trying to get us into the premiership on the cheap and it is a false economy and will not work.
Just look at the top 5 in the division and their managers, Hughton, Bruce, Dyche bags of Premiership and Championship experience. Then Karanka and Clement two former Real Madrid assistant coaches. So experience, contacts, used to working with quality players and backed by the owners even when things go wrong.
Steve Evans talks the talk and he is a media dream but just who is he going to get in that is better than the players we have, Matt Derbyshire!
MC needs to invest in a proper manager, go for a Moyes, Lambert, Pearson or even Rogers and give them an incentive based one year rolling contract.
Like us all I want the team to do well and prosper, I fear that Steve Evans will only take us so far. about 17 th in my opinion.

26 Oct 2015 12:56:13
Haha no chance with them managers they wouldn't even wanna come.

26 Oct 2015 13:28:21
1LU

I write this with the deepest respect. You are entitled to your opinion but it comes across a tad snobby. We are not the bright lights of that London. We are Leeds. I don't want a posh person. I want down to earth honest and plain speaking. SE may be a fatty and weigh close to a metric tonne but I could not care less. All I want is to win football matches. If some brash overweight uncouth person is in charge at the time so be it. As it happens, SE appears to be tactically astute and I think his style is exactly what we need. So no as a Leeds fan I don't want royalty or the establishment. I'd take a SE every time. Walk of life and background should not be barriers to the job.

26 Oct 2015 13:34:46
We can all dream about the people we would want to manage but we are limited by money and a mad owner, it is what it is so I for one will support big boy Steve as it is our team so give him a chance.

The championship is fine lines between winning/losing we all know that so you don't have to be the best to do well, but you have to do the best with what you have and we haven't been really.

So 4-4-2 is prob good for us at the moment, SE has to find his best midfield and go with that, we need another option up-front as well, I would like to see us have 4 strikers in squad, give Erwin a go so we need one more who can push our top 2 for a place.

I think now the main thing to get in is a keeper who will come for crosses, like I said it is a fine margin between win/lose and we can't keep going 1-0 down all the time, silvestri is making our defense worst because they have lost their faith in him so effects them as well of course.

We can't buy everybody in loan market so we need to do what is the most important to give us that edge which will turn draws into wins, so for me my order would be:

A first choice keeper ahead of Flappy. Spend money on quality here.

A striker with exp of championship and who is fit now and could make a difference/challenge our front 2 now (not in 2 months as he gets fitness/confidence up to right level which applies to Buckley at the moment will take him ages to add any value to us) . Bring Irwin back to bench, try him out.

Experienced center back, a leader type to help Bamber/Cooper

Get those 2 I would be happy and Steve E should be able to get us close to top 10 or better.

4th on list an experienced midfielder who adds something different to our young midfield, knows how to see games out type etc, but to be honest I would settle for a keeper/striker and 442.

26 Oct 2015 15:37:39
O dear am I to posh to support Leeds!

26 Oct 2015 16:02:48
George
Not snobby at all and I would not class wanting a proven manager as such either and as for managerial royalty I would hardly class the list as that. I do not rate Evans as he has no record at this level, being fat, thin, gay, straight has nothing to do with it, he is simply not good enough if we realistically want Premiership football at our club.
Leicester attracted Pearson, Norwich got Lambert, Burnley Dyche, Brighton Hughton. With respect get it right at Leeds and you will be playing in front of 35 000 plus every week.
It is about ambition on both sides, sadly MC will only ever attract second rate managers due to his inability to see the bigger picture.

26 Oct 2015 16:27:14
Not my first choice of coach, but at least the side seem to have a bit more about them .
The problem is to many players have been brought in who are not up to this level or style of football .
Even now we have squad players who I can't see getting any real game time, and yes the u21 is a good way of keeping them fit or getting a returning player fit, but if that's all they are good for then bye bye.
I just hope we do not go for the players rumoured as they are no better 1
bently (gk) a decent c/b and striker as well as Erwin back.

26 Oct 2015 16:38:09
Well not sure about your original post. Bags of experience? Dyche. No thanks. Lambert. Should have stayed at Leeds reserves. Rodgers. Hmmm not convinced.
Evans is our manager and I like his commitment and passion. He may be a tad podgy but let's give him 100% support until he starts to f. Up. Lol.

26 Oct 2015 20:51:45
1LU,

You seem to suggest SE lacks the right sophistication. Sophistication? Sophistication? Don't talk to me about sophistication. I've been to Leeds! Actually I was born there.

Point is Cellino told us he would not spend big on a manager. We should accept that. SE is the best fit yet. He has some pedigree behind him too. He may not be Mourinho but wanting a manager with greater class than him is unrealistic and a touch greedy in light of how Cellino managed our expectations. I'm happy with his appointment. Better than Hockey Dark Knight Baby Redders and German Baldy.

27 Oct 2015 11:09:25
Morning George

Nothing to do with sophistication, class, royalty or snobbery. It is about getting a manager of Leeds that has the experience, qualifications, drive and ambition to take us into the top half of this division and onwards to the prem. Steve Evans will not do that for us. He will play to the fans via the media but ultimately he will soon be added to MC's list of failures. I do not blame Evans or indeed anyone for taking the job as the rewards career wise are huge if you succeed. MC has chosen 4 managers who in his eyes have failed so that fault is his, Evans will be number 5. Add up all the money spent on paying up contracts etc and you may have been better off employing a good manager in the beginning.

27 Oct 2015 13:23:00
Good afternoon 1LU. I disagree with your analysis. Don't judge book by cover. I am still in wait and see mode with Evans but I like what I've seen so far.

27 Oct 2015 19:18:25
Evening George

I will buy you a pint in the Whistlestop or Beeston Social Club if Evans is here in April and we are in the top half of the division.

27 Oct 2015 23:42:21
1LU you got yourself a deal. Please can MM and Speedyg come too?

28 Oct 2015 17:41:29
Absolutely George.

26 Oct 2015 08:15:07
So, there is a lot of talk with regard bringing in new players, particularly at the extreme ends of the field. Personally, I think sylvestre has great potential, he is still quite young and needs to be drilled and coached to get him up to speed, we can't allow him to cost us more points but neither should we write him off. As far as strikers then we have one out on loan who needs to be given a chance in the first team, play him next to Aunty or wood and let's see what he can do - it can't be any worse can it? I guess my point is, whilst I know we need to strengthen, we can ill afford (morally or financially) to bring in players who never play and whom we do not invest in with decent coaching and training staff - of course this has all been compounded by the fact we change our manager every ten minutes.