Leeds Banter Archive October 25 2014

25 Oct 2014 22:41:57
not posting to start rows but wondering where people sit on Darko now? did he still deserve more time or was it right to get rid? How much time is enough and when does the rip cord need to be pulled? For me managers should be given time but I saw problems in Wednesday game that were worse against rotherham and still apply today. Patterns of play and game plan can not be fixed in time. I am glad redders has job and think he will be the one to turn it round again. May all of our future coaches have the right qualities then hopefully they will be given time, no football is able to stand still let alone go backwards. What do others think? Good to be back I did miss you all and missed this site, hope you missed me too?

Hey BW, welcome back chum
Missed ya loads xxxx

I believe after 6 games and not winning 9/10 managers warrant a sacking. I think cellinos approach could actually be a good think because if your ambitious but looking to do it a "cheap" way (managerially) you don't wanna stick around with something that's not working eg Hockaday, Milanic, McDermott.

A leopard does not change it's spots. Milanic was regarded as a defensive minded coach before he came and none of the games I saw with him in charge convinced me that his style was going to change. Plan A was to try to win one nil, no plan B, C or D. Good to have you back BW

25 Oct 2014 23:53:33
I must admit I have read over your posts and while I found them entertaining and quite often very insightful I did not agree one bit. You seem far too keen to call for someone's head and I would not enjoy you being my boss however maybe you did see things that I did not. It would seem time has a way of making you right young man. I just hope you do not call for Mr Redfern's head as that will probably mean he is doing a rather poor job as your judgement seems rather impeccable. You state you never called for Mr Warnock's, Grayson's and McD's head can I ask why? I would like to know what differences you saw?

26 Oct 2014 00:54:59
Got to agree with BW Milanic had to go too negative and not up to the challenge, you win this league by attacking, and when the coach starts picking players that shown a lack of commitment in the past its a backwards step. Hope Redders rotates the players a bit still say you can't keep playing Cook and Mowatt three times a week for the rest of the season. Watched U21 games and Monty has done everything asked of him so can't understand why Morrison was ahead of him. Think we need to blood Cooper more as Pearce is not quick enough when Bellusci is pushing up. Byram also should have been playing today as he was getting better in his last couple of games. Wishing Redders every success he deserves his chance just hope its not too early, but we have a good team if they are allowed to play. MOT

Thanks really feeling the love. What worried me most was in the games I saw under darko we had most of the ball showed nice touches but did very little when we should of killed games off and we kept dropping points to 'weaker teams' I know I called for head early but I didn't see any change or improvment over the games, it is ok to make mistakes but not ok to learn from them. OAP for me grayson did great under circumstances and McD did ok not great but maybe didn't deserve sack (although apprently he lost dressing room so had to go). Warnock did very well with team and budget and did well not to get us religgated IMO. Shame warnock left as I think his record showed he might of took us up. but all if's and's and maybe's I guess. Think redders will do better. Also A judge amoungts us. I would like to say now for the record not guilty your 'onour I wasnt there at the time and can provide an ailiby

BW
Welcome back
Did he deserve to get the sack! The answer is it's a results based business and his results and performances were poor.
I feel for our next coach, I mean who's going to want a job where if you lose 4 or 5 games your sacked???

26 Oct 2014 08:11:38
You win games by scoring more than your opponent. They win by scoring more than you. Surely there is a balance to be had- we just need to find it 😜

Well I was one that said Darko should have been given longer, but I was getting dismayed at his tactics and substitutions. I just could never see how we were going to score enough goals to win many games, and I keep bleating on about shots on target per game - it was like 2-4-3-0-3 etc. In this league that's never going to be enough, and you were right BW about style of play. It is better than it's been for years, but that's no consolation if we don't get any points

26 Oct 2014 11:09:48
yes I would of played sam and Warnock at least sam got pace when going forward and gives wide option pearce dodgy adryan played ok got better as game went on and as for ref never saw all the shirt pulling

25 Oct 2014 22:13:08
If at first you don't succeed, then try and try again ;)

25 Oct 2014 21:07:19
Well whatever the rights and wrongs of what's gone on. To save the situation deteriorating into utter chaos, (if it hasn't already gone that far), I think Redders has to be given the job until at least the end of the season - REGARDLESS OF RESULTS. And for those who think he can still go back to the academy if things don't work out - I'm sorry I think we have moved on from that possible scenario. So Redders, well done. You've been a constant amongst all the chaos for several seasons. You deserve your chance. Good luck, you will need it, and you have my 100% support for the rest of the season (at least).

25 Oct 2014 22:30:38
am behind you and could not agree more, Mr Redfern knows the club, the players and the league. May he be the man to turn the club round and may the appointment of silly coaches be long gone. Mr C the right man is needed please take the appointment of this role more seriously please. Outside of this I believe Mr C has done a truly amazing job

Yes Speed agree Redders needs to be here to see season out. I for one will not be calling for his head. makes a change don't it

Blooming heck BW, it does make a change.
Hallelujah bruv!

25 Oct 2014 20:22:50
I now believe MC is a bigger nutter than I first thought.
He hires managers with little thought and then fires them on a whim. I know Milanic has had a poor start and tactics questionable, but 6 games is nowhere long enough to judge a coach. I know some think he is our saviour but I am seriously doubting this man to run our football club. I know he has done some good things but this manager/coach situation is an absolute joke. What if Redders gets the job and only picks up 3 points from 18, does he get the bullet too? Two permanent managers already this season, if you can call Hockaday that, and unless the players perform a miraculous turn around in form over 90 minutes, we can expect a few more coaches to arrive! Personally I couldn't give a toss what others think, but let's face it, we are becoming a f**king laughing stock! MOT.

Can only agree with above post Cellino has done some great things but we are a laughing stock, the two managers he chose were never going to be suitable the fans saw it straight away even before their results, however once appointed I believe Milanic should have been given some time to prove himself otherwise we get into the same position again if the next six results go badly what do we do then, a lot of pressure now on Redfearn to make it work with a limited squad.

Don't fret Cork, Watford have had 4. It's the latest craze lol.

25 Oct 2014 20:44:16
I think corkwhite sums it up

Nay lads, was at the game and fair play give the man a chance but 1 - 0 up at half time the tactics from Darko in 2nd half were weird.

All at the game were puzzled with his tactics, 1 / 5 in 2nd half, then switches Morrison on the wing .
Sorry Darko but Mr Bean was more like it.

In Massimo I trust.

CORK
Although I agree would you want MC debt free or GFH n heading for admin!its a tough one but I know where I'd be going ;)

25 Oct 2014 21:36:23
Its because of the decisions DM made mid game which have turned wins into losses. He has demonstrated his judgement to be seriously flawed. Had no need to change tactics today, we looked like we could have pumped ww. We changed our set up 2nd hale are awful. As h against RU. Should never have been employed in first place.

Good call from Don Cellino. He is our saviour. He has assembled the best squad of players I have seen at this club since we went down. All we need is a great manager. Yes, he has made mistakes but I think that Redders is a good choice. I love Cellino's passion. I love the fact that he's a proper football man, a proper fan, not a plastic suit. I'm with him every step. Nothing's perfect but we are getting there.

25 Oct 2014 22:28:18
Please men stay calm. I understand anger and annoyance but please remember all the good Mr C has done, I believe if not for him we would have no club to moan about! Mr C has brought in great players just poor coaches. Look at points per game, please let Mr Redfern be the gent to turn us round long term and please hope Mr C has learnt his lesson. Managers need experience in our league and proper pedigree. I hate to call for heads and believe in giving time but both long term coaches were not right for one reason or another so let us lick our wounds and March On Together. Get Behind our men and our coach MR Redfern got 2.5 points per game, while it is unthinkable for him to repeat that long term something similar would see us in the play off mix and get us all what we want promotion this year. Let's march on Leeds Fans

Andy I know what you are saying, but just because GFH were imbecile's doesn't mean that MC is the chosen one to take our club forward.
From sacking untold behind the scene staff, some who have been working for Leeds for years, to hiring and firing others after 5 minutes. Jesus, I think he only hired Milanic cause he can speak 5 languages! The man has turned us into a bigger joke than we were already, and I didn't think that possible. He seems to want to buy his own players and no doubt pick the team as well. C'mon, what the f**k is that all about. I am starting to hope a credible buyer surfaces from somewhere fast.

I'm with you Norman
We've known from day one that MC was bonkers, that he will say stupid things and make stupid mistakes. But he is passionate about football, and seems to be passionate about our beloved club. Who can remember the last time we had an owner who cared as much as he does - and if you are under 50, don't even bother trying

Les Silver was ok wasnt he (very young at the time) and Risdale cared I think just very thick and useless, maybe risdale was too caring genrous and his heart was just to big. or he was a W@@@@ER

CORK
MC picking the team I'm not a fan of but for now we are in a strong position as some of the players he's brought in are good signings.
As for sacking staff behind the scenes we were losing serious money every month, we even had ex players at 50+ years of age still getting paid for various reasons COME ON you can't keep feeding everyone and run a business!

25 Oct 2014 20:12:31
Just want to say loved the call to fletch and savage on 5 live by 12 year old Mitchell, leeds fan.
Brilliant!

I missed it - what pearls of wisdom did I miss? Could you let us all know!

Well for those of us who didn't hear it trev, what was the gist?

25 Oct 2014 19:23:24
Ed this is on the verge of becoming farcical hope MC gives Redders more time than the last 2? Carry On Leeds United

25 Oct 2014 19:02:38
I thought the referee and linesmen were poor today. Wolves were over physical today with pushed, pulls and ankle taps that were not punished by the Ref. Slightly suspicious that both their goals were offside.

25 Oct 2014 18:56:29
Redders gets job, let him choose the new academy coach

25 Oct 2014 18:35:25
Darko's gone. Come back Redders QUICKLY.

Your wish granted!!
The tooth fairy :)

Getting a bit farcical now.

Thanks Speedy, now that Redders has the job, please - and I hope this never happens - if it goes wrong can he go back to managing the academy. In Neil we trust.

25 Oct 2014 18:15:23
Turns out the worst decision Cellino made was getting rid of Naylor. Had he stayed Redfearn is freed up for the bigger job. Redders will eventually get the big job. Just a matter of time. It is a shame though it couldn't have been a month ago. We might have been sitting in a play-off position. Solution? Bring back Naylor or recruit a new youth coach.

25 Oct 2014 18:24:43
we need two wingers and play 4 4 2 it is simple that is how this league is, no need to start fannying with different formations it just does not work at this level and one more decent centre half is needed. This is not continental football it is championship and to get out of this league need an English style approach

People are hoping that Redders get the coaching job of the 1st team at Leeds United!!! I suggest you look up his coaching/ management record! because if he does get the job? and things don't go as you all think it will? then this record will be the stick you will beat him with!!

True enough there kjc. Now we will see

25 Oct 2014 18:01:16
It is really tough being a Leeds fan, I feel for my two boys who have only seen the really bad times and really deserve to be watching better at some point. I watched the game on streaming but missed most of the first half because of trying to get a signal but watched the 2nd half in full, sounds like we played well first half but have to say we were terrible in the 2nd same old story no width, no pace and nobody getting past full backs to get crosses in, therefore just limiting ourselves to just putting in aimless crosses and trying to do something on the edge of the box neither of which worked.

Wolves were a League one side last season and have come up and played good football and looked like they were going to score at any time, and fully deserved the win.The possession and match stats were massively in their favour over 90 minutes, cannot understand why Byram did not start as Berradi offers nothing going forward.

Until we resolve the missing pieces in the squad we are going backwards quickly, we are now 18th we teams like Wigan below us who surely won't be for long, looks like being a real struggle as I cannot see where goals are coming from in this team, Cook, Austin, Sloth, Bianchi, Mowatt, Murphy, Morrison are never going to get many between them, leaving Antenucci Doukara and Sharp to score the majority of the 59 goals we got last season, I think that shows where the problem will be. I hope I am wrong about this season as the fans deserve so much better.

Very good point about the teams below us, it`s looking grim

25 Oct 2014 17:34:56
Wasn't going to post after game of 2 halves but looks like Darko has no plan B. Same as at Rotherham getting battered in 2nd half, losing faith with him now. Cardiff away and Charlton at home will be tough, Darko might have to wait until Blackpool visit us on 8th for his 1s win - if he lasts that long.

25 Oct 2014 17:33:12
Donny Darko out, not good enough, does not understand Leeds and its fans and anyone who start with Morrison deserves the sack All hail Redfern

25 Oct 2014 18:59:50
Morrison was good 1st half, abysmal 2nd, purely down to the coach. should never have been appointed in 1st place.

25 Oct 2014 17:29:04
we score first in two matches and look comfortable then loose in 2nd half. That's poor management!!!

25 Oct 2014 17:19:51
Well firstly I wasn't at the game but listened to commentary. Commentators bemused with change of tactics in second half and with substitutions. Hard to think that anyone is responsible for the loss other than Darko. I'vs said give him time, but I am finding it harder to defend what seems to be the same mistakes repeated time after time. Definitely looks as though the players are good enough, but .

25 Oct 2014 17:10:09
We're bad, but we're not quite Birmingham

Who cares about Birmingham, we are just as bad. Controlling the game only to loose at home. It`s getting embarrassing again. FFS someone needs to sort this mess out and get a bloody MANAGER.

25 Oct 2014 16:59:33
Very disappointed with the loss

Have kept quiet so far, don't want to see too many changes but NO win in 6 games Darko looking into the abyss

Not a doom and gloom monger but being realistic NOT a promotion chasing club this season IMHO sorry

25 Oct 2014 16:53:20
Okay I have said from the word go, Darko may not be the right man for the job! Considering Wackaday officially now has a better record as Coach/Manager of Leeds, kinda confirms what I have said!!
if the team is showing ANY slight signs of improvement, and we base that on the fact they are simply getting used to playing with each other (which is the case) What has Frodo really contributed?? NOTHING!! We have dropped points ever since he arrived! Sorry guys, but I have ZERO faith and support for anyone with a worse record for Leeds the Wackaday!! GET RID, get a decent coach/manager who actually knows the championship and let's get SERIOUS about taking us back where we belong!! MOT

25 Oct 2014 14:44:28
I actually think darko knows what he is doing. Learning the champ quickly. Been a bit unlucky so far
Hope tonight changes that!

I agree re darko
Looking comfy at 1-0. Should be 2 or 3-0 though
Good endeavour and work rate
Adryan a bit disappointing so far

Aaaarrrggggghh Ausman we are 1-2 down. At least we should spare a thought for Birmingham currently 8-0 down.

25 Oct 2014 14:30:58
Liking the look of our team today, (except morison) but hope he surprises me and gets a hat trick.
Looks full of energy and threat, should be ale to get a good win today.

MOT

He must be impressing in training to be honest. I'm happy looks like he is genuinely trying to work his way back in to the team, no sharp. maybe the opposite?

25 Oct 2014 10:35:11
Thank you to all who supported Marine A petition.

It now has over the required 100k and is going to parliament for debate.

Big thank you again