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23 Mar 2015 17:41:44
Suddenly the newspaper's are reporting that Fulham are being charged by the FA for the "Leeds incident". Why is it the "Leeds incident"? They get a player sent off, their player's cannot behave themselves and abuse the ref and it's described as the Leeds incident. Just shows where the predjudice of the gutter press lies.
23 Mar 2015 03:35:19
Bermondsey
Why on earth have you put Grayson with wilko and revie in your below post? Bit of a difference mate!
Rest of post was ok. But cmon. Grayson?
23 Mar 2015 08:30:57
I honestly rate Grayson that highly. got us out of leauge one when others couldn't and did wonders with no money, look at the way he got the team playing and results. If he was supported by chairman and was allowed to keep beckford, gradle etc and allowed to spend a bit more he would of got us to prem. Think he was good just never given proper chance. I like redders and think he did well, but would love to see grayson back at club with moeny to support him
23 Mar 2015 10:24:29
Well Aussie, I guess I'd better not say that I'd be happy with Larry back at ER one day then
23 Mar 2015 13:37:32
Disagree with both
He was a capable manager but never good enough for getting us to prem. he just lost the plot as soon as we got near promotion. Didn't pick the right team. We should have gone up that year.
23 Mar 2015 17:44:58
only one Revie rest come a long way behind. We have Revie and his boys to thank for this clubs great name. We are in championship and still every one hates us, scared we are on the way back.
23 Mar 2015 18:09:52
I'm inclined to agree with AUSMAN for a change He did get the support that 1st season even with a 15pt deduction we should of walked that league.But we didn't and we have struggled since. Only 2 great managers Revie and Sgt Wilko(1st stint obviously) have graced our club unfortunately. However I can't wait for the next 1!!
23 Mar 2015 20:27:55
and m, not one to nit pick, but you mention he (grayson) did get support and 1st season with 15 point deduction we should of walked the league. dennis wise was our manager that season, then mac failed then Grayson got us up 1st full season in charge. We then lost our best player (beckford) while the likes of noriwch kept theirs, that is why we didn't go up. Grayson then had to sell our best players (schimcle and gradle) and was given a tenner to replace them. He had no chance, had we kept Beckford, howson (although I don't rate him), Johnson, Gradle, Smchile, Sam sodiji, Becchio and snodgrass I think we would be prem team by now and Larry could of took us their. He is certainly better than everyone who has come in after. Also going to be bit contraversion now, was Revie that great. We won some things but lost a lot and maybe should of won a lot more than what we did. I think Wilko getting us promoted then champs two seasons later when we had no right to win it was maybe a harder and better achivement. For me Wilko and Reive stand out but I don't think grayson is too far behind and someone show me a beter leeds manager than grayson outside of them two. Also think under reive we had some bad results in cups, under grayson we beat man u, and held our own regulary against Spurs and Arsenal when they were far bigger teams. The fact no one really hated bates until larry left says a lot, larrys class papered over bates greed and killing the club
23 Mar 2015 22:29:59
Not that it makes him a great manager, but anyone else heard that recently at some do or other, Simon Grayson was offered red wine and said 'I can't drink red, I'm a Leeds fan! '
Anyone know any more details about this?
{Ed003's Note - He said it in an interview Speedy think it was last week.}
23 Mar 2015 23:15:47
Cheers Ed
{Ed003's Note - might have been the fl show thinking about it in which case you should still be able to see it on iplayer.}
24 Mar 2015 01:44:26
Lots of ifs and maybes in that long post BW.
Facts say he failed!
24 Mar 2015 08:25:05
depends how you look at it, I say he successed, he got us out of leauge one, beat man u at old trafford. and got us playing above expectation in championship. he made me proud to be a leeds fan. Facts are bit clouded a times. Some could say that facts say Revie failed. Lost to sunderland in cup final, knocked out of f.a cup by colcester, up for treble and won nothing. with one of the best teams in the world at the time and some great players he didn't win much at all so did Revie fail? of course not and nor did grayson
24 Mar 2015 09:59:09
He beat Man U at Old Trafford! Bet they put that on his headstone!!
24 Mar 2015 15:32:38
as so they should, wish I could have that on my headstone. mine might read was drunk in pub when grayson beat man utd at old trafford. As I said not saying he wa greatest ever but I think he is our 3rd best ever manager and no one else comes close other than wilko and revie, and revie was before my time but I think he should of won more than he did and was a let down with england. In fact I think our greatest ever manager was clough and he never got a chance (wow that is contraversial I am expecting bit of stick for putting this)
24 Mar 2015 17:46:11
If you read your history on Leeds and Reviews era, there were a number of reasons our greats failed at the final hurdle. Teams were not rotated like today, it wasn't unusual for them to play 60 games a season, and towards the end of the season, some finals/finals and the championship run in, Leeds were sometimes just worn out, whereas our rivals didn't have the fixture congestion. Add in injuries, which all teams have, you have another reason. The anti Leeds factor was also there, Alan Hardaker hated Leeds and Revise in particular. This was the guy who would not postpone the Wolves game for another 24 hours after we, d won the cup against Arsenal. If my memory serves me correct, we were also fined for fielding a weakened team in the early seventies, its now called squad rotation!
And we finish off with corrupt/incompetentofficials at finals. European Cup against Bayern Munich is one, there was another when the ref was subsequently proved to have been bought by the Italians in another final in Europe.
Think history proves that without doubt, Don Revie was Leeds United's greatest and successful manager. Sorry, Brian Clough was the catalyst that increased our downfall after Revie had gone. Unfortunately we cannot speculate about what would have happened, how the hell he was ever chosen to manage Leeds United at that period is beyond me.
24 Mar 2015 21:02:10
Spot on Chris! Couldn't agree more!
24 Mar 2015 21:52:47
good points about revie, it was before my time so do not remember but he points you raise make sense and are good ones, byern munich in particular. My point was facts can sometimes hide truth. as it did with reive, fact was we lost truth was there were good reasons behind it. Same with grayson whowas our best manager inlong while, facts are he didn't get us to prem, ruth is his hands were tied by bates and he over achiveed. Not sure about your clough point. He is one of the greatest mangers ever what he did at derby and forest was amazing. he got leeds job as we were the biggest club and he was the best sadly it didn't work out, if given a chance think our history would of been even better and although o one will ever know I think he would of done better than revie, he won the one thing we are missing twice with lesser teams
25 Mar 2015 08:55:42
BW my memory obviously is letting me down I do apologise and I stand corrected on that. However everything else you say about the Revie and Wilko era is a complete load of tosh m8. What would we of won without them 2!?
25 Mar 2015 08:59:56
And BTW BW do you honestly think if we hadn't imploded financially under Ridsdale Larry would of got a crack of the whip at ER?
25 Mar 2015 11:44:53
your missing my point. I love revie and biggest fan of wilko who is great. my reply was to Aussie say facts are Grayson failed, my point is sometimes facts do not tell whole story. No one can denine Wilko and revie are our two best ever that is not even up for debate. I just think Larry is 3rd best we have ever had. NO if things hadn't of imploded Larry probably would not of got a chance but you never know. how on earthdid o'leary get the job he did nothing in management before and proved his lack of ability else where in other jobs. My only point is facts don't show whole story and I don't get how people can not rate Larry he was good, best we have had since wilko IMO
25 Mar 2015 19:16:40
O leary got his chance because george graham thought spurs at the time was a better option than us.more fool him lol. O leary. well got us to 2 euro semi finals beating the top teams in europe on the way untill he got ahead of himself and wrote that damn book. I know I know but what if hadn't of wrote it. do you think we would be where we are today? that's a question BTW lol
25 Mar 2015 20:20:02
O'leary was awful. he ruined our best crop of youngesters ever to come through our ranks atthe same time. his buys were %70 awful and 85% overpriced. Apart from viduka and dacourt they were all bad. any manger that buys seth johnson should be hung drawn and qautered and think he also brought duberry. O'learys best buys were all brought by wilko (martyn, bower etc) then ridoe off of grahams tatical brain. can't stand o'leary and his record since shows his true class or lack of it. he is up there with Hock for me as worst manager ever. give me the talent and sqaud o'leray got and I would win the leauge. book had nothing to do with it, things started to fall apart before then. he got dealt a royal flush went all in and still folded and lost