Leeds Banter Archive February 21 2016

 

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21 feb 2016 22:30:40
did i just read on ceefax (i have an old telly) that the average wage for the championship is £324,250. making it just over 6k per week. now i am no billionaire, or even italian millionare, but that seems an easy figure to beat to attract 3 or 4 quality players without paying silly money. if i was a self made millionare then i would probably have earned it by taking risks and speculating to accumulate. i figure just over 20mil would ensure a title challenge.

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{Ed003's Note - just called clubcall and they reckon this figure could be because it includes young players on lower wages which makes the average seem low to us mere mortals.}

22 Feb 2016 04:19:38
i wish I was on low.

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22 Feb 2016 10:14:15
And to think Leodis we have £30 million worth of talent at the club already!
It's a decent coach we need.

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22 Feb 2016 18:38:23
Leo
Is your Betamax still working? (That will be wasted on the young 'uns)

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21 Feb 2016 17:52:05
I hear a lot of views expressed from SE amongst others words to the effect that [ there's no point bringing anyone in as its unlikely we will challenge for promotion this season]
So no Lafferty or anyone else for that matter.
Does SE and MC realise that we are 17th in the championship and that we are by no means certain of securing championship football for next season.
I feel there is quite a bit of Hubris around in the decision making at LUFC currently. Hope this way of thinking doesn't come back to bite us.

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21 Feb 2016 19:39:16
Lafferty is reported by Evans as being too high a wage which would disrupt the existing squad. A very noble and sensible decision however going forward how can we expect to bring in the necessary quality if we have a restrictive wage cap? Quality players come at a premium.

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21 Feb 2016 19:45:20
They're banking on Wood scoring enough with Doukara. Should work but only just. Boy do we need sorting out in the summer. It starts with getting rid of GFH. If Parkin replaces them we have a chance. So long as they remain each season will end when it begins in the middle of August.

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21 Feb 2016 20:24:41
Spot on Notts. None of the team would mind if they could see there's something in it for them, ie promotion. Team needs 5 quality additions all coming in same time so the players who are here now and will make up the first team next season know their place and see the value in those incoming players. If we don't add such additions in the summer bye bye the remaining crop of good young players. Summer is our last chance saloon imo. We might never recover after that and could easily head into admin yet again.

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21 Feb 2016 20:39:43
Agree with above comments re not smashing apart wage structure . However, in the summer we will need a front man who is better than what we have at the moment. And surely that means he is going to cost more. And presumably the better he is the more he will cost . We need an expensive one!

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21 Feb 2016 20:41:22
I agree about Parkin george, By way of comparison, Don't know how much Gibson at Boro is worth but he has got them competing at the right end of the table. and has been the case for the past few seasons. That with P1$$ poor attendances week after week for a team near the top of the league. Doesn't need to be an arab sheik in this league.

Also correct about GFH, Need to exorcise ourselves somehow of them, they are Bates gift to us and as you might expect do nothing but suck their share of any profit margin without putting anything back.

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21 Feb 2016 22:37:47
Agree with all of above, short sighted and insulting excuses about lack of signings are becoming very predictable of SE & MC.
Failure to bring in decent striker could cost us our championship status, Fulham and Bolton are pressure games we need to get all the points from because April's jlooking a whole lot tougher.

Please stop taking us for complete idiots with these constant pee take feeble excuses.

Our seasons finished again, it is important for us now to; maintain our Chamionship status.
If we do Cellino over the summer needs to invest in the squad with quality and pay them the salary. No ones half decent is coming to play for Leeds on the cheap.

An honest clear statement of his plans for the club would be welcome but that is totally not going to happen ever.

Really frustrated, still love and support for club will never falter.

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22 Feb 2016 18:09:58
Hooper is on £32k at Wendy. Doesn't seem to be affecting other lesser players. It's just another Cellino excuse.

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22 Feb 2016 19:17:42
To get in the required quality we will need to offer wages upwards of £15k a week. This is unlikely to happen.

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21 Feb 2016 16:59:11
It looks like cited have signed Silvestres uncle. another useless flapper. The og yesterday should have been cleaned up by our "goalie" before it got anywhere near Wootton.
Other than that it was decent perfomance against a higher rated side. I agree with some comments about Wootten play in his own position of CD. He has improved no end since SE arrived. So has Bellendsci, although he could still do with an anger management course. Up front we were yet again pathetic, led by aunty climax. We will see better from Doukara as soon as he has decent partner. Midfield is beginning to take shape with the base of Douagarada and Bridcutt. When Cook and Mowatt have gained a bit more confidence in their own ability they could provide the go forward playmaking we are still lacking, although improving.
So, one or two essential signings, GK and Striker and we will be there or there abouts next season so long as the owner doesn't any madcap moments and creates some stability off the field.
That's my Sunday afternoon all used up, time for a lay down to dream about. Strachan, Batty, MacAlister and Speed in our midfield again.

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21 Feb 2016 19:42:08
Need to also add a decent attacking midfielder who can thread a pass. Cook is not (yet) suited to that role as he makes bad decisions in the final third.

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22 Feb 2016 11:18:33
I'm dreaming of Michelle Keegan in a Leeds shirt

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22 Feb 2016 14:07:31
im having similar dream micky b but she ain't wearing a leeds shirt.

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21 Feb 2016 14:02:48
Did you happen to see the limited highlights on Motd. The chart with the blue dots at the end illustrated how little we touched the ball in their box. About 3 times. We are playing without a striker, one hand tied behind our back. The number of times the wingers had to hold up as there was nobody forward to cross the ball to. A sad reflection on our owner if he dosent bring in someone in the emergency window. We carry no goal threat making it easy for the opposition to bomb forward against us. Get it sorted Massimo.

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21 Feb 2016 17:23:07
how have you managed to turn this on MC? how is this a sad refelection on MC? I have likend our recent situation to when graham took over and he fixed defense and made us hard to beat (just like SE) but we were useless up front (even poorer than at the mintue) at this time in leeds history no one was saying sort it out chairman and blaming the chairman for the situation under GG. we are work in progress and getting better. I do not understand how everything is being laid at MC's door. on another note I see the melegnists virus is hitting a slight eperdimic around my local area and the panic has lead to a shortage in vacinnactions and I for one am fuming with MC as I am sure somehow this is MC's fault and he needs to get it sorted.

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21 Feb 2016 20:40:22
Bermondsey, thing is, he is the owner. I have been behind him from day 1 understanding the reasons for not buying ER back and the rest of the unkept promises. He claims to be a football man so surely he can see what we need because all the other football folk can see our problem including the managers of the clubs in the championship that we still have to play to be safe.

No Goal threat means we will be beaten by the single goal which means tactically we are easy to contain and hold when 1 nil down. Bring on a extra defender and we've had it. With Wood's prolific goal scoring denied to the team by injury we could be in a race to the bottom. Hope not but I hate to see what's happening. Personally I think he will sell in the summer and won't spend another penny!

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21 Feb 2016 22:18:45
i can see what your saying I just don't remember another time in our history when everything was laid our the chairmans door, I think we will be safe and recent performances give me enough piece of mind to be confident we will be ok and are going the right way.

no doubt we need help up front but think we are turning a corner. like when we had lilly, rush, hatley up front and made the record (which we still hold) for least goals in perm things looked bad but just around the corner was a good age for leeds. I hope and think that will be the case here, I think wood will go on to be a good player for leeds and a fans favortie. then again I did hit my head hard as a baby.

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22 Feb 2016 16:36:42
Our recent performances have been shocking.

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21 Feb 2016 13:54:43
Just a thought? When Berardi/ Coyle fill the full back berth how about trying Wootton at Centre Back. I believe that he is a CB currently playing out of position. I have not read the Botaka comments but if SE is so disparaging of Botaka then it is he has failed the player by not finding him a suitable loan.
I am a firm believer that we should use this stagnant period to blood some youngsters and experiment, (what about Carayol as a second striker? ) Not wholesale changes and a big risk of a slide but slowly slowly with a view to next year and if we are lucky maybe saving millions on a new buy.

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21 Feb 2016 15:37:09
Leo
That's quite a novel idea. Playing a player in his true position . I like it!

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21 Feb 2016 13:52:59
Robbie McDaid bagged his first goal for Lincoln City yesterday. He's not been getting much more than 10-15 mins game time and is yet to start but this'll do his cause no harm.

MM.

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21 Feb 2016 13:42:59
Message for oneleeds.

I may have misinterpreted your comment to my post further down, but if I haven't, just for your information, I did not predict Leeds losing one nil, nor do I ever (check my posts if you wish) predict Leeds to lose. I don't revel in Leeds losing either. I was making a tongue in cheek post about our resident bull s**t machine, who regularly claims predictions after the event, which is why I signed off as Jeff.

Also, if some Leeds fans on here predict a loss, this doesn't make them any lesser fans as you, I, or anyone else, so I don't see the problem with it.

Cheers
MM.

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21 Feb 2016 14:05:46
Agree Mick. I didn't post it but personally thought we'd get hammered yesterday.

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21 Feb 2016 14:41:01
never seen a post yet that makes sense MM, we all knew what you meant so don't lower yourself son DTP's!

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21 Feb 2016 17:24:44
agree MM sadly there are quite a few weeks when my head and heart suggest different results it is called not being insane not being a bad fan, although I think to follow leeds you must be a little crazy.

I also don't think England will win euro's so I am unpatrictic as well and should be hung for treason.

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21 Feb 2016 19:09:34
How dare you suggest England won't win the Euros BW lol! It's the gallows for you old boy!

On a side note, one of my mates back in the day used to always bet against Leeds which used to do my head in. His theory, if we won, he way happy. If we lost he was in the money and also happy. It didn't stop his smug face getting a few slaps on the way home in the mini bus from time to time though!

MM.

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21 Feb 2016 13:25:16
I've never had a strong opinion on Steve Evans as a coach either way to be honest, (until now) . If his comments on Botaka are true then it shows very, very low levels of man management skills.
I know someone on here will tell me different, but I don't remember many, if any managers openly telling the world he basically thinks one of his players is useless.
I can only imagine all the other fringe players will be thinking Evans thinks the same about them.

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21 Feb 2016 13:57:51
Think its too tell massimo without telling him we need better this summer I like evans and everyone of his signings he will get us were we all want to be but will he get a contract and its vital we get bridcutt full time.

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21 Feb 2016 14:25:55
Steve if you have a non performing member of your staff then - train him to upgrade his deficiences, loan him out to the end of the season - or cut your losses and sell but never, never criticize in public.

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21 Feb 2016 15:22:39
Agree Danum, the only thing he maybe trying to do is fire him up with his comments, risky doing it that way TBH as it could backfire, When I played in the Blackpool amateur leagues way back in the mid 80s I had a manager who used to drive me nuts shouting at me and slagging me off from the touchline, it drove me on to try to prove him wrong, and he envariably got the best out of me using this tactic the smug look on his face after beating Blackpool rangers 5-0 with yours truly getting all 5 was a picture 😂 he used to really P##s me off though so won't work with everybody, I think he is very old school in his methods, but he seems to be able to spot a player, let's see what happens in the summer when he can mould his own team and we can get rid of the dreaded recruitment officer.

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21 Feb 2016 17:26:18
i agree think it is old school management bit risky but can work. Fergi and Clough did it quite a bit and it seemed to work for them. maybe botka might have an iffy work ethic and he could be trying to get more from him, hard to know without being close to the team. I would say he seems to have got the best out of a lot of our players so his man management can't be that bad.

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21 Feb 2016 17:39:40
Agree with you Danum - no public criticism. it will hardly encourage the lad. I also think that SE has distinct favourites like Wootton and Doukara. not sure why, as both are incredibly slow and Doukara needs to go to Weightwatchers and drop some timber. He might actually get to the ball first then in the 50/ 50s!

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21 Feb 2016 12:41:07
Well. We have a laugh (at times) and vent our frustrations on here, and offer criticisms of the players, management and owners. Which is quite right. And the heros who fork out their hard earned cash to watch the team week in week out deserve a much louder voice than me. I can definitely agree that there are team performances that can rightly be booed, on occasion. But to boo one of your own players for scoring an own goal, even if it's the only goal in the game is not on. No way. My opinion ( which isn't worth much I accept) , is that's way out of line and totally unacceptable for any fans of any team with any player . That's my rant of the day over!

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21 Feb 2016 14:33:03
Speedy, you're right, we do have a laugh on this site. We have to.
If not we'd spend most of the time crying! 😭.

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21 Feb 2016 15:25:25
I've only seen brief highlights, but thought it was Silvestries cock up. Wooten just arrived wrong time. I think we've all scored own goals like that. Keeper stays or catches and there is no issues.

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21 Feb 2016 17:27:30
agree speedy but would disagree about what your say is worth. I think you always make good posts and have good knowledge of football, this is mainly down to us agreeming most of the time, and I am always right so well done to you.

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21 Feb 2016 10:15:55
Watched the game, albeit it on a dodgy streaming website. Losing 1-0 to a prem team is not too shabby but we could have won (or drawn) if we had 1 more half decent striker on the pitch. The douke didn't have a too bad a game but aunty lucy was less than impressive. Missed the injured Wood, I know I'll probably get shot for this but with the players big stevie has at the club at the moment then Wood and Douke up front are the best options when Wood is fit again.
And to all those fans booing Wootton, he's been one of our better players since SE's arrived. We want fans who get behind the team and support the team. Would you boo a player in your son's school team if he made mistakes? I wouldn't imagine so, you'll give him some encouragement.

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21 Feb 2016 11:31:37
Fair point re team Lucas and re Wootton as he has played OK in most of the games I have watched live (all home ones) plus some of the away watched as well. Some of our fans always mark him out.

So I have been behind him so far as he defends pretty well, what he can't do is go forward with any great effect and in our team we do need our full backs to add something going forward cause we don't create much at the best of times.

It was a bad own goal but stuff happens, we did OK against a good prem team so not end of world, the game against fulham we need to win mind.

I would give a real full back a go now in the team in place of wootton, Lewis may be a bit like C Taylor and if so then great, if I was SE I would look to do that for a few games as kid seems to have good potentialand would seem an idea time to let him have a few games to see if he is up to it ( I don't see training but from outside looking in this seems logical) .

Will miss the Fulham game as away but will keep everything crossed as don't want to get any closer to drop zone plus big SE needs a good finish to season otherwise mad dog Massimo will be changing everything again and we don't need to do that as this team has some potential with a few key quality additions to it as we all know.

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21 Feb 2016 09:56:21
was at the game yesterday and after seeing so many negative comments I feel I must of been at wrong game or supporting wrong club.

wooten own goal was awful, really bad sunday league make no mistakes about that but it was a one off mistake. Yes he has been bad but he has improved a lot recently so I am happy to put this down as a one off mistake and hope he contiunes to improve and be a decent (not great player)

Steve Evans is praised one week then slated the next. He is a great defensive coach, he took a poor back four and made them all play better as a unit and as indeivuals. Our shape off the ball yesterday was very good and some say watford played poor others could say we frustrated them and defended well.

why not go all out what have we to lose? well watford are a very good prem team, 1stly if we lost 6 nil it would dent confidence and what would the fans/ MC say. Our best shot was to play tight and hopefully nick a goal. I was with watford fans and in 1st half they were agitated although 2nd half you could see the goal coming.

As for players I think SE signings have been good and he looks to have a good eye for a player. And all this six touches in their half can not be right, we had our moments and must of had more touches than that for the corners alone and few half chances (maybe half chances being nice to leeds) .

SE is a defensive coach and that is what an average team in champ needs, to tighten up then work on attack (give SE time) but like when george graham took over and we were so boring and so poor but then after time things got better.

only real citisim is like speedyg (agreeing again! ) I think the subs should of come a lot sooner

so ok we lost (to a far greater team) yes we were a bit dull yes goal was a joke but come on fans it could be a lot worse, I hope this is SE sorting out defense to then build on attack I still think three/ four good signings (which SE seems to have an eye for) and we will be right up there next year. mind you what would happen if we went up it would be awful some fans would have no one to slate.

also note for some comments. I also thought we would lose 1-0, no one on this site wished or hoped we would lose. Saying we will lose or thinking we will not lose doesn't make us lesser fans it makes us realists who understand football and love our team even though we will lose. I was sure we would get beat yesterday that didn't stop me going to the game (getting stuck in traffic) and enjoying a day cheering on my team (even though it was cheering on the inside as with home fans, then becoming crying on the inside as there was not much cheer about) .

I do think if some fans can't handle supporting a average team (which in the scheme of english football we are above average) then they need to change clubs.

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21 Feb 2016 10:24:58
I agree BW. In fact u beat me to it re Wooten. I don't see Leeds play much. Just on tv. Every time I see Wooten he has given 100% and has played well. He is not quality but jeez. Leave him alone. Players like ant, Dallas etc rarely give 100% but rarely get stick. Our defenders have just played two top teams and stood up well!
Heaps better than last year.

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21 Feb 2016 10:36:26
Dallas rarely gives 100%! I think that he lacks pace and trundles up and down the wing but I would never doubt his effort. As for the 6 touches BW, they were in the opopponents box not the opopponents half.

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21 Feb 2016 11:00:27
sorry I misunderstood and was going to say that couldn't be right (i think someone did put half but either way silly of me to get it wrong) so six touches in a prems team box when they pretty much played strongest 11, are a good team and on form. I would say 6 touches is probably about right and no need to complain about that. I am not a wooten fan and don't think he is leeds quality but he does give 100% and has improved so fair play to both wooten and the coaches at leeds, I want to see him replaced by better player but don't think he should be slated for one (really bad) mistake. I like dallas and on form he is untouchable in our league but needs to do it more. Ant is my fav player at leeds at the moment but he needs to pull finger out of backside.

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21 Feb 2016 11:28:12
Opinions differ with that level of attacking intent, unfortunately it is now 4 shots on target in the last two games. Definately need to strengthen in the final third.

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21 Feb 2016 12:06:42
i don't think any ones opinions differ notts I think everyone can agree at the moment going forward we are not good enough, we don't create enough and certainly don't score enough. I just think/ hope that this is the poor time due to building at the back and improve (like under graham when we were so poor going forward and lucky not to go down) I think like graham SE is building from the back improving us there making us hard to beat then a few touches next season will see us a major player in this league. That is what I think and hope and I do see a lot of similarites between both managers, appraoches and patterns of play with the team, we look at lot better at the back and that is a huge plus so now with little time and maybe couple of signigns things will be in place next year. I think some fans slatting SE on here is perhaps a little short sigthed and harsh considering the job he has done. If graham didn't do what he did o'leray would not of took us that far.

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21 Feb 2016 13:24:28
Not going to continue to argue BW, you suggest that 6 touches in an opponents box is acceptable, I do not. Respect your opinion but I don't agree. No doubt you will want the final word so fill your boots.

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21 Feb 2016 16:23:44
Have to agree with Notts on Dallas. Can't think why some rate him so highly. He's had a few good games, but mostly he's a 6/10 player. We still have a lot of games left and crowds are starting to drop. We never look like we can create chances. Therefore never look like we can win games. Not bringing in a striker in the window was criminal. Everyone knew we needed one. Other teams managed to get them. It used to be wingers we never bought. We are paying for Cellino's short sightedness.

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21 Feb 2016 17:57:00
bit personal and mean do you not think notts? anyway as been accused of it I might as well go for it don't you think?

you can't say i'm not going to argue but then argue as that is contiuning to argue is it not?

also as I just love the last word and need my boots to be filled.

i am not pleased we only had 6 touches, I think we need to improve massivly in this area.

however in context (in form top half prem team, to bottom half champ team out of form) 6 touches is probably about right is it not? I know if we were playing a team about 5th in league 2 (which is probably about the same differences in league places) I would only expect them to have around 6 touches in our box.

so no I agree we need to improve but if you gave a football expert the form and league table and said 6 touches in box I do not think they would be shocked and certainly not worth mentining in threads and posts on here as much as it has been? maybe I am just to postivie and happy in my life. I promise I will try and change.

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22 Feb 2016 13:41:41
I've come here for an argument! No you haven't! Yes I have! NO YOU HAVEN'T! YES I HAVE! Wait wait wait this is not an argument it's Contradiction! No it isn't! Yes it is! THIS IS CONTRADICTION! If you want an argument that's next door 🚪 ha ha ha 😂 sorry couldn't resist boys!

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22 Feb 2016 14:10:03
made me smile Thames valley. what room do you have to go to, to find a happy yet realistic leeds fan? think some in here are in the room for doom and gloom the world in going to end worse leeds team ever and trouble is i'm locked in with them.

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22 Feb 2016 18:14:59
BW that'll be the Optimistic room, Danny is already in that room although even he has been edging towards pessimism of late 😂 never a dull moment in the Leeds family eh dude.

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Higuain To Stay At Napoli, Man Utd Forced To Recall Keeper From Loan, Chris Brunt Ashamed Of Baggies Fans And Much More

21 Feb 2016 08:31:17
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Higuain To Stay At Napoli, Man Utd Forced To Recall Keeper From Loan, Chris Brunt Ashamed Of Baggies Fans And Much More

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21 Feb 2016 00:32:04
I don't agree at all with fans turning on their own players. Even though the skill level shown by Wooton when putting into his own goal would embarrass a Sunday league player the fans should be voice their opinion in a more reasonable way - not during the game and in front of the opposition fans. West Brom fans throwing coins at players on the same day. What's football coming to? It's not good. As far as our game was concerned - we had no forwards in the opposition box for most of the game. No goal threat. Poor defending. Bridcutt wasn't great. Our forwards not getting forward. Wooton simply not good enough. Where do you stop. Evans saying we matched them. Don't think so. Our possession was in areas which didn't matter. Hence no real chances. Watford weren't great but they didn't need to be.

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21 Feb 2016 08:21:43
Disagree Hess. What other forum should fans air their views? Game time is perfect. Fact is Wooton shouldn't be playing for Leeds. Bradford yes and the Park Avenue version but not Leeds.

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21 Feb 2016 08:37:28
It was poor by Wootton and showed total panic by a player who is being played out of position. As for the game, it has been posted on this site that we competed well against a prem team. With our current set up we will compete against all teams but we will also struggle to score. 500 + touches but only 6 in the opponents box tells a tale of a side content to pass the ball backwards and sidewards but not threaten the opponents goal.

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21 Feb 2016 09:26:07
The fact he was playing right back has nothing to do with why he was unable to clear the ball, a striker playing at centre back should be able to clear it, and Wootton was even in a centre back position when that happened. His best position therefore is slicing (like his own goal) orange segments for the players at halftime and staying as far away from the pitch as possible. For years everyone has known he is not up to scratch but he is always played, not even good enough for league one, pathetic, you know you have a clueless manager when he plays Wootton and openly attacks botaka when he said that if you tell a player he is s**t then they will think they are s**t. Rant over. Not even mentioned Cellino at all there and there's so much s**t going on with our club: (

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21 Feb 2016 09:42:06
Leedsyar, not defending Wootton as a Sunday league player would have been embarrassed with the own goal but accept sometimes these errors happen. Wootton should not be playing but appears he is free of any criticism as week in week out he plays. Yes, he has improved but he has only moved a level up from being a poor player to now being below average.

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