Leeds Banter Archive December 01 2015

 

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01 Dec 2015 23:46:41
I see it didn't take Cellino long to get back at the supporters who abused him earlier. The 'pie tax' is clever. Gets you more income and is one in the eye for the 'cellino out' contingent. Owners always seek revenge on errant fans. Sad but true.

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01 Dec 2015 23:12:17
This is getting worse day by day. Now we haven't a "pie tax" for the south stand. The most popular part of the ground and everyone has to pay an extra £5, which they can exchange for a pie and drink. If they want one or not. What if they have sold out before you get to the front of the queue? Enough is enough Cellino. Time to go. Come on apologist, defend this.

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01 Dec 2015 22:12:14
If I played for a team that didn't put their best eleven (Sam Byram) out on the pitch for every match. I would loose respect for that manager and team management. It is just logic, why should I run my socks off, if the management don't care for the best of the team? You do not have to be a genous to understand that Cellino is holding Byram back on the bench.

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01 Dec 2015 19:48:58
I have to ask why the **** Sam Byram is not an automatic choice in the team?

If you are going to let him go then you need him to show how good he is, otherwise he will go for peanuts (no change there then? )

Evans WAKE UP, realise you DON'T need to try and persuade Cellino to buy in overpaid and under acheiving has been premiership players when we have people like Byram that Premiership teams are circling around like vultures? Coyle, Mowatt next?

Just pay Byram a reasonable wage and put him on the pitch and then judge him.

We know what Byram is capable off and I for one am totally cheesed off that you have a player of this ability that you will not play and yet you are totally willing to look elsewhere and pay more money for anyone who doesn't care a dam about our team?

I hate to keep repeating this, but some of us have been here for almost 50 years now, and will be here longer than you (Evans) and Cellino.

You keep leaving Byram out, your days are numbered and it won't be long.

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01 Dec 2015 21:58:01
This has to be a MC call.

If Evans had anything about him as a manager / coach, he would want to put the best side out possible. And if history is anything to go by, he has till january to get some results together.

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01 Dec 2015 22:42:34
Come on what do the fans, coaches, pundits, journalists know. Cellino knows what he is doing! As his apologists on here keep telling us. He's a great businessman (yeah right) . Makes perfect sense, a player you want £8 million for, ostracised from the team where he could be showing premiership scouts what a great player he is. Stick him in the development squad. Pick instead a cb to play right back. So what if the team lose and morale amongst the squad is rock bottom. It shows who is in charge. Why not give him a pay rise, play him and if he goes for big money, recoup his wages and make money. No our great leader thinks he is the only one who knows what is right! Where haven't all the Cellino apologist gone.?

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01 Dec 2015 22:47:52
Nothing to do with his dreadful performances then?

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01 Dec 2015 23:19:18
The coach admitted if he signs a contract that is worth less than the one he is on at the moment, then he can play. So no, nothing to do with his performance. Are you seriously saying Wotton should be ahead of him in terms of team selection?

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02 Dec 2015 07:41:07
Nope I'm just tired of some fans acting like Byram is the messiah who will win games single handedly, when he has been abysmal whenever he has played this season.

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02 Dec 2015 12:20:30
Is the reason his form has dipped have anything to do with how Cellino has handled his contract negotiations. Wanting to sign a contract on less money. Playing this out in public. Evans played him and now states "If Sam Byram signs a new contract he plays, if not he doesn't". This is Cellino ' s call. He is playing politics with a players career, which is wrong. The coach going along with this, when we need all hands on deck, is wrong. Cellino puts his coach in an impossible situation. If Byram plays and plays badly, is he dropped because you think someone is better or because he's following orders to drop him by the owner. Playing Wotton leads most people, including his fellow professionals, to believe it is the latter.

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01 Dec 2015 15:20:11
Top and bottom is that this is not Evans team and he has only been allowed to bring in 1 person. No doubt bridcutt will play for him and in turn will not be subjected to scathing comments from him. I feel that in January Evans should be allowed to bring in more of his own players that will want to play for him. Only then can he be really judged. A manager needs to be respected by players and in turn players should be playing to the best of their ability week in week out and earn the respect of the manager. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes but the fact that he is constantly putting players down tells us how frustrated and let down he is by so many that have probably got the backing of cellino. Let's hope we can pull together and get this sorted sooner rather than later.

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01 Dec 2015 17:09:16
Agree. Def all sorts going on with the players. Reports of unrest from several quarters. Not unrelated to the 'injured 6' . At least one player being paid more than he is worth and more than Sam was offered. It must be a nightmare of a job trying to deal with all that, though there will be done saying SE should have known what he letting himself in for.

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01 Dec 2015 17:27:22
Couldn't agree more Evans needs time and has good record even if at lower levels but he can get teams winning needs to get in his own players to inject some spirit into the shower we have because that's what is lacking not bad players just down on confidence.

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01 Dec 2015 17:37:26
I'm just worried that silly bollocks Cellino gets rid of him if we don't gain many points from now till new year.

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01 Dec 2015 18:31:56
Agree, as said before SE needs at least 5-6 of his own players before u can judge him.

Regards to team unrest etc I'm not sure it is any worst than a lot of clubs it is just we at Leeds like to pour over minute detail think at all clubs players who don't play get pis off etc etc it is in news if u look for it.

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01 Dec 2015 21:16:23
I agree with the point but where does it stop and frankly speaking its all excuses. MC will never let a coach have his players and give them the time required. So we have to recruit a coach that can COACH a group of players, no matter who they are.

To add to that SE knew exactly what the squad was when he took over, knew how we had been playing and knew exactly what MC is all about. SO I don't take that as an excuse.

And we all know that the current squad is considered to have 4 of the best youngsters in the league and experieced CB and a decent GK. So he should have been able to build on it.

Hopefully he can start to string some results together because 0 in 6 against a rudder less QPR and the then bottom of the league isn't good enough. God forbid he gets the sack, where will that leave us?

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01 Dec 2015 14:09:54
After 2 defeats Evans now saying he doesn't think we'll make the top 10 this season contradicting what he said two games back.
I believe he is a total bluffer. A good workman never blames his tools. And I also believe that we do have the tools necessary, but the big fella does not know how to utilize them. Look at Brighton. Good manager with a distinct game plan and showing what can be done with an average championship squad.
We have played mainly lower league positioned teams since Evans arrived yet imo performances have got worse. So much for the "new manager" syndrome and better performances!

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01 Dec 2015 14:44:51
I agree but we can't keep sacking managers, which decent manager will come here if they don't think their going to be given a decent run to turn it round.

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01 Dec 2015 19:18:02
Right so 6 managers in a row can't get this team to play, either we have been really unlucky with managers or the players are just not as good as we think.

I agree a mangers job is to get the most out of what he has and best that has been in the last 3 years is 13th so this group of players need improving or the best we will get is 13th unless we get very very lucky which being Leeds we won't be.

2-3 Quality (this is key and costs of course) players to what we have could well be all we need but as it stands I'm not blaming SE as no point and at least he seems to say what he sees which makes a change.

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01 Dec 2015 19:55:07
We had a great managerial team here in red fears and Thompson till some "clown" forced them out. but what did we expect. till he goes we go nowhere but down.

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01 Dec 2015 20:21:37
DG mate Cellino picks managers on a whim, so that is where the problem lies. Hockaday, Darko and now Evans. I have put more thought into what I am going to have for dinner! Maybe there was more thought in hiring Rosler, but after doing so sacks him after five minutes. Its no wonder the players are not performing as all team sports need stability.
We all have our opinions on managers past and present. Could Redfern and Thompson been successful? Rosler? Maybe so given time.
I personally think Evans is totally the wrong man for Leeds but I would love to be proved wrong, starting with Hull this weekend.

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01 Dec 2015 13:00:34
Leeds players welcome to the real world, Big Steve is telling it as it is, your not good enough!
So the squad has the opportunity to prove him wrong, knuckle down, put in a shift, or prove him right.
of course Big Steve could put his arm around them and tell not to worry it's all going to be ok and I'm sure your not going to be a brickies labourer after your contract runs out.
something has to change as to continue as we have been could mean relegation. So if SE wants to try this style of management then let's see what happens, let's be honest results really can't get any worse can they!

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01 Dec 2015 11:14:16
Just looking at the Bolton situation £170m in debt.

Starting to think Cellino is not such a bad thing, at least we are financially stable.

However a good test of his character will be . if he is planning on selling the club, he will sell the young players first to get some money back or make a profit

However if your reading this Mr Cellino, if you bought my beloved ground back, I for one would be chanting your name to stay as actions speak louder than words

MOT
Got to have Hope at Christmas.!

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01 Dec 2015 13:39:02
I'd rather he spent money on players personally.

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01 Dec 2015 09:19:19
Agree with people who say Taylor is the most promising talent. But he is probably the one premier teams would come in for. Premiership clubs come and watch the others. Cook has potential and is still just a kid. Don't think he is ready for the step up yet. Mowatt would need a pacey midfield around him to function or would look even slower against the pace of the premiership. Sam being an understudy to Wotton is not going to push his value up. Unless Cellino knows an offer is coming in January, can't see anyone paying top dollar for someone who isn't match fit. It's obvious Evans doesn't rate Erwin, or he wouldn't haven't tried to sign two strikers on loan.

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