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19 Aug 2013 22:30:51
Scott Wootton looks to be on his way to us, not really got any feeling about this as I've never seen the lad play and don't know anything about him other than he's 6"2, nice to have some height in the middle of defense though.
19 Aug 2013 22:20:42
If we sell McCormack I have no faith in gfh taking us forward simply just trying to make money from our best players for their pockets hope this is not the case mot kieran
If we sell Ross it won't be to line GFH pockets as the cash will only cancel out the loss of his value as an asset to the club.
GFH have shareholders, who they have to report to, they can't simply pocket the cash like cuddly Ken!
19 Aug 2013 21:41:30
So here goed. pugh is on 10K a week norris 8k and diouff on 11k a week. imagine these three off the wage bill and then we can bring in the players mcd wants. I believe gfh will back the next 2deals and with cash payments aswell. we just need them of the bill asap.
19 Aug 2013 17:55:19
Let's face it, no one wants any of the c**p that Neil Warnock brought into the club not even on loan, he stitched us up good and proper, feel really sorry for BMD though, I hate saying it but we will be mid table again unless things change, one signing and 2 frees is not enough.
I agree fair play mate everyone is trying to cover it up with excuses but I don't hind the truth.
So kenney, tongue, green, diouf, byram (he brought sam into first team ) pearce, stephen warnock are bad players then? go back to fifa games bud -
19 Aug 2013 22:47:44
Dont forget austin
You have to remember that he also signed all the players we want to offload
What about habibou great signing that was by warnock can anyone tell me what he actually did in his time at the club and not forgetting he will be a legend steve morison
19 Aug 2013 17:55:08
What’s the point in me misleading a fan, is that going to make them want to buy ticekts in the future?”No, but in this FNM's-only-UK-gig -specific case, it will make them buy a ticket in the present, which is what a lot of people are pissed about.
19 Aug 2013 16:53:10
Hi ed(s), I posted a comment this morning about wages and things, It didn't get put on, do they sometimes struggle to get through to you? I ask because I was in a poor signal area, it did say it would be visible after review, but I just wondered, thanx {Ed013's Note - Its on mate, ive been waiting on an answer}
Sorry ed, must have been my phone not refreshing because wasn't there all day on mine, cheers for that, so they average out at just under 8k each if we sold all three of them, surely we could get at least 2 good players in for the wages saved there? My personal opinion is that I think ghf are willing to spend a little on transfers but need the wage cap down aswel before hand {Ed013's Note - the problem we have is no club may want them so to move them on will cost the club more money, but you are right, sell a few and wages become available}
19 Aug 2013 07:44:49
A question for people, (eds) I've looked on Leeds web site and according to that we have 30 players signed up to first team, and by the sounds of things we have a £15mil wage budget that we have maxed out, so I make that each player earns just over 10.4k a week on AVERAGE, take into acount that within that 30 there is a handful of youths who will be on relatively small wages, so, if we can offload 2 mayby 3 players surely we will b able to save some decent coin to put towards decent signings, does anybody know how much the likes of Pugh, Norris and Hall are earning? Because like I said before this is on "AVERAGE" we could potentially save 124.800k a month on wages, which if I am right equates to £1.497.600m a year! That's potentially a lot of money that could be invested else where! What does everyone else think? {Ed013's Note - I believe Hall is on 5k, Pugh 10k and Norris 8k. These are a rough guide without add ons/bonuses}
When will people realise that just by telling diouf to go does not get him off the wage bill we will have to settle his contract or a sweet pay off
the only way we save wages is if the player asks to leave
or the dead wood would of been shipped out long ago
Think pugh should be giving a chance at left back warnock not exactly playing well
The poster who wants Pugh in to replace Warnock, I've been watching a different player to you. I think Stephen Warnock has been the class player at left back we've missed for many years. Danny Pugh was mediocre during his first spell at Leeds and hadn't improved any when we inexplicably paid money (you know, the stuff Bates seldom parted with) to get him back in permanently.
A lot of talk about this supposed £15 mill. salary bill. On the basis that this is the cap placed on player salaries by the horrible Bates, is it not worth being aware that Bates set this limit at rate of 45% of turnover. As far as I am aware GFH have maintained the Bates cap, however is it not worth noting that most clubs work on a ratio of 60 to 65% of turnover?
My questions, and they are honest ones, is are we still working on the Bates ratio, and if so why, when the going rate, as it were, appears to be considerably higher at other clubs (and I don't mean the ones up to their necks in debt)? Surely GFH could consider raising the ratio to 50 /55/60% of turnover?
Promotion cannot be won on the cheap, obviously money does not buy promotion but it can help when used sensibly.
Maz.
Good point I think warnock has been playing good and adds a bit of experience there with you lees and Pearce who are still learning and played in the prem
Im not sure what games some people are watching.
warnock for me has played well. shrew leeds
19 Aug 2013 16:06:33
For the next game I think we should have the front 3 of Varney, Hunt and McCormack. then if we are struggling for a goal, bring Smith & Poleon on together, with them being two polar opposites the defence will struggle to adapt straight away against them. Instead of bring Poleon on, let the defence figure him out for 10 mins, then bring on Smith for them to figure out. Just an idea, but I think smith and poleon could form a little partnership! (what do you think are best strike options are ed?)
L3EDS
Thats who started the first 2 games.
the thing is hunt and varney look as if they will never score at the min.
hard working yes but no goalscorers. shrew leeds
20 Aug 2013 16:49:34
I agree with you there Shrew Leeds, we just don't seem to have a goalscorer among our ranks, yes McCormack has the potential to be that, but no guarantee. I am really impressed with Varney this year with his channel work, but that is only good if we have a poacher in the box, which we currently don't (unsure on how good Matt Smith is at this role yet!) as he normally comes on for Varney. a fit Somma would have been good!
L3EDS
19 Aug 2013 15:16:06
McCormack says: "If I'm going to go it's going to be their (the club's) decision. It's not going to be my decision."
This tells me that the club want to sell and have stated this behind closed doors.
19 Aug 2013 13:52:45
to the people saying ''if we sell ross for £3m we can get 3 quality players'' u really don't understand how transfers work. The owners will take a cut and as the owners are an investment company I expect them to take as much as possible which would leave money for just 1 1m player maybe 2 750k player at most. i'm not knocking the board as that's how football works but u people need to realise not 100% of the fee will go on transfers.
Especially when the league take a cut, agents take a cut etc
Exactly I can't think of a single reason to sell mccormack other than for the board to make a quick buck it will be of no gain to us whatsoever
19 Aug 2013 11:56:41
we r so desperate for cb, why not go back and offer paddy kisnorbo short term/ 1yr deal? He managed to play 6 games or so for ipswich without getting hurt and we need cover
He's rubbish we don't need him
When will people realise that just by telling diouf to go does not get him off the wage bill we will have to settle his contract or a sweet pay off
the only way we save wages is if the player asks to leave
or the dead wood would of been shipped out long ago
19 Aug 2013 11:54:25
ive just surfed free agent list and found that pabloIbanez ex birmingham cb still free agent and stephen hunt brother of Noel have no clubs. Bmcd should certainly offer hunt at least a trial, and this late in the window if you're without a club players might realise they have to drop wage demands offer hunt similar deal to what originally brought diouf here maybe 6,000 week on 1yr deal option of 2nd yr if enough games. That way we can sell give diouf away and if he's on 10,000 a week like some say that leaves with 4,000 per week left which is another contract for somone
19 Aug 2013 14:40:33
Paying 1 useless hunt 12k a week to sit on bench is more than enough thanks!
19 Aug 2013 10:32:11
So at present ( with Ross Mc's comments today re a potential contract extension, & "the suits" maybe agreeing to sell him) it doesn't look good in terms of McCormack staying. I am not surprised he is using this as leverage for a new contract. That's business, that's what football players do in a short career. However, he only got a new deal beginning of last season. Given we have wage issues already I think he will be sold if the bidding reaches 2mill. It's an awful scenario. I don't think that amount of cash, and so close to the end of the transfer window & with all our dead wood remaining will allow us to replenish the squad appropriately as B McD would like. Crucially, how will we replace McCormack's potential goals & proven Championship class? Thing is, it's already a squad that needs strengthening. Not depleting by robbing Peter to feed Paul. It's a sad state of affairs. Just when things were looking up. I rate & trust B McD & think GFH have taken some welcome steps recently. But despite that, Leeds just can't compete financially at present to build and maintain a squad capable of promotion. Aaaaah, the wait goes on!
I agree with what you are saying, but think back 2 or 3 weeks. It was widely rumoured that when Leeds get the new investment which people close to Leeds think is imminent; the ground and Thorp Arch will be bought back. This will save £3 to £4m per year on rental which will be invested in players. This is why GFH are saing it is a two year plan to get back into the premier League. JD
How long left on ross contract. If 1-2 years its worth keeping him and risk him leaving for 0 later. If we buy the right players we should get promoted in next couple of years and there is no way he will leave then. Shouldnt sell unless nearly 2mll+
Good post!
19 Aug 2013 07:47:27
I suspect the McCormack situation is getting more complicated by him also looking for a contract extension and more money. Him and his agent will see this as the perfect which well mean even less money available for me players the ones we already have are costing more.I think Ross is a player but his status at the club is raised because of all the previous player sales, he's not that consistent and can go missing (first half Saturday), I also think his opinion of himself is greater than anyone elses, he loves to retest any positives.
What a good post and one i agree with fully.i have always been of the opinion that mccormack is not as good as he thinks he is.you can not take away the fact that he has made a good start this season, but i would try and force celtic to 2 million, and get somebody else in, nobody is indispensable.
A great post. I thought I was the only one who didn't rate Ross as highly as he rates himself. He looks good in the average squad that we have, but he is not a prolific goal scorer. If he is sold for two million, I think that would enable BMD to buy an out and out goal poacher and some flair that we just don't have.
I rate macca but his if u take away his goal on sat his proformance was poor
What game was you watching!!
McCormack is a good player for the Championship but he's not absolutely amazing, but shows the state of our team when he's our talisman.
19 Aug 2013 00:01:48
Let's be honest yesterday wasn't the complete performance that everyone expected. I see many of our fans say that defence is our priority, in pre-season I would've agreed, but after our last two games I feel we've been defensively sound (only a set piece mistake cost us yesterday). The problem is our strikers, we either buy an out and out striker like becchio and beckford were or we move ross up front and bring in a creative player into ross' position. If we're talking priorities I feel a defender is not desperately needed (only one as cover) because Lees and Pearce are starting to create a strong partnership at the back. Also two wingers to supply our strikers. MOT
IMO we already have a creative player in murphy who's passing ability is wasted on the left side of the diamond. So push McCormack up front and put murphy in the pocket behind the front two. We need wingers!
18 Aug 2013 23:41:20
I feel GFH have done well in what they have set about to change at our club so far.
I pray they do not undo all their efforts in creating a united Leeds by selling our best player Ross McCormack.
This would be a giant leap backwards, why spend a million pound on a player (a very good one), who you see as I proving the team only to think of selling our best senior player. Makes no sense.
Now GFH, this is the time to look at the bigger picture, dig deep to enable BMcD to bring in those 3 - 4 quality players we glaringly obviously need THIS transfer window. It also glaringly obvious BMcD is getting frustrated, he looks it, his body language says it.
You want ER to sell out YOU MUST push on and have the conviction to give BMcD the okay to bring in 3 - 4 more quality ex prem/championship players who can turn squad we already have into top 6.
We may well have a very good academy structure and "some" prospects coming through. Academy prospects need quality players to bring on their development. Home games being sold out will generate a healthy income, but no-one will pay to watch average football.
Don't undo all the positive achievement you have gained so far.
Don't sell Ross
Do release sufficient funds for BcMD THIS transfer window
Do keep ticket prices affordable
Do trust BMcD
Do keep communicating with fans . IT'S GONE QUIET
What's this on/off multi million pound investment about, is it happening or what?
I know these points have been mentioned by other posters but just wanted to vent frustrations only, I fear we will continue to keep losing pace with other clubs in our league.
LUFC MOT
18 Aug 2013 19:54:32
I understand that gfh are looking for investment, but don't get why we can't match a lot of the teams with our wage budget, our squad isn't the biggest and we get a good average attendance, I don't know the math but surely our incoming beats our outgoings. If sum1 could work it out i'd be grateful, just approx because of advertising and no one knows our total wage bill, vinny.
We have one of the biggest wage bills in the division and believe me for championship status its alot. Gfh have money to spend and our chairman stated that in his inteview. but the wage bill is half of our annual income and needs to be reduced. wot they r saying is players like pugh 8k a week and norris 8k a week never play and this money would be fsr better spent on players who will be involved. by releasing pugh, norris, we can buy a coupe of players on the same wages who will play