Leeds Banter Archive July 17 2012

17 Jul 2012 22:49:47
latest odds on Top Scorer is Jordan Rhodes at 8/1, are they serious, he had one good season last term and now everybody seems to think he is Messi, he isnt proven at this level, and didnt do much until last season, hes very over-rated! Better strikers in the division by far, we have 3 ourselves in Becchio Somma and McCormack!!

Grant holt rickey lambert followed on to the championchip so I think he will to.

OH YEAH! So did Billy paynter, i forgot.
mot4life

Paynter would probably have got going too if he hadn't picked up that injury in Pre-season. He never really got back to full fitness after that

Beccho and Somma, you must be having a laugh.

I think your havin a laugh if you think Becchio and Somma are cr=p. If Somma comes back the same player, you will be eating your words. I'd like to know what Somma you been watching when fit

17 Jul 2012 21:32:29
ed when do you think the take over be done? we are wasting time on the transfers we wont {Ed013's Note - How long is a piece of string? I wish I knew mate. On Friday 13th I felt confident it was close and now I am no clearer to when}

I've got a feeling we will still see players trickle in over pre season. Then just before start of season we will know the outcome. I feel Warnock was brought in as part of there deal. They wanted sure hands on the deck because know doubt he would be at another club, by time it was complete.
mot4life

17 Jul 2012 20:52:56
If Norwich want Snodgrass so much & he wants to go, why don't we insist on Pilkington as part of the deal ?

Pilkington and Crofts

Why do people keep saying Snodgrass wants to go, he'd have been gone by now if he did mate!

FFS give the guy SOME credit!!

Hi, yes good enough call about Crofts and Pilkington, I would like Jackson thrown in to keep Austin happy.

How much of a cheque would be reasonable for NCFC to send our way to even up the deal?

tRip

17 Jul 2012 20:14:25
Lonners gone for "undisclosed". Surprise surprise. Has Ken set Guinness Book Records for most consecutive undisclosed transfer sales?

Mustn't upset dem offshore books eh Ken?

Or let's not lets every other club know how much money we've got and over-inflate fees?? It's frustrating yes but let not always jump on the same old boring band wagon of slating bates and realise there may actually be a genuine sensible reason behind it......same with the lack of official news on the takeover

al1977

That will be 100,000 for his pocket and 150,000 for transfer kitty. kieran mot

17 Jul 2012 19:45:35
I am really sick of scouring news coverage and rumour sites about this takeover talk. With the forest one going through everyone seems to be panicking. There must be some substance to story or ssn wouldn't have even mentioned it as well as the official website. Recieved an email from lust today asking kb to provide us with an update. Doesnt anyone realise these things take time, bottom line neil warnock wouldn't still be here as he has previously stated he has had other offers after we missed out on joel ward, he must know more than he is letting on or he would of walked in june to take forest job, please everyone (including lust) just calm down, dont provoke bates or i wouldnt put it past him to mess the 'investment' up just to spite us. just be patient and wait for official announcements. all these bs talkers need to provide sources or not bother posting, thanks mot

Bates wouldn't do that now. Could you imagine the size of the crowds at EL, if had put a spanner in the works. If crowds do fall big time, Then it will be Bates's pocket that will be funding player wages not are's and we know Master Bates, better than anyone. NOT A CHANCE!!
mot4life

17 Jul 2012 19:01:53
Leeds have rejected Norwich's latest offer for captain Robert Snodgrass, manager Neil Warnock has confirmed.

The Scotland winger has been offered a new deal at Elland Road which would make him the highest-paid player at the Championship club.

Warnock is waiting on a response while also trying to fend off continued interest from the Premier League Canaries.

"It's been made public that they (Norwich) have bid, but from our own point of view it's not what we're looking for," Warnock told the West Yorkshire club's official website.

"We'd like to keep Rob, and Rob knows that. Whether that will be possible we'll have to wait and see.

"It's difficult when players get their heads turned, but I'd like to keep Rob at the club and that's what I'm trying to do at the moment.

"Unless they come up with a valuation that the club thinks is satisfactory then that's what we want to do."
Source SSN
MOT

17 Jul 2012 18:19:10
Facts are we are still only buying if we get a bit of cash for a player.lots on here are saying Varney or Austin now clay ton and lonegran gone.no mention of money that's suppose to be arriving.i take it takeover not clearly done yet as it wouldn't be a problem to make smaller funds available if virtually complete.think we are well away yet.shrew leeds

17 Jul 2012 17:31:07
some of you guys are clowns claiming the deals off. the deal is still on, im not proffessing to know anything but i doubt anyone else knows anything either apart from the people concerned. We will be informed in due course. Papa smurf would of been straight out slagging off the investors if things had fallen through. Be patient and keep the faith.Anyway i heard a rumour that its wednesday tomorrow and that its gonna rain

Try and be a bit more committed to your posts chap :) Tomorrow is wednesday .....FACT and it is going to lash it down again FACT....... This is England and we are Leeds FACT MOT
ExCroggywhite

I almost said that raining tomorrow is NOT a fact ...

.... but I guess it is actually - lol!

Yep, it's raining (here!) Fact!!

17 Jul 2012 15:56:30
Bit of a shame about lonners departing. I thought he was real class. Are we sure Kenny is a better player? Just asking .... {Ed037's Note - Tbh, i thought that Lonners looked very shaky at times last season, particularly his handling. Overall PK is a much better keeper imo}

17 Jul 2012 16:11:06
I think there is no takeover what so ever and unfortunately think we r a lost cause because nobody will take on the mess Bates has got us in and b4 someone says he saved us we also made him richer with all the money he has got out of the club

I agree that we have made him richer, but would you care to elaborate on the "mess" he has left us in ? More or less of a mess than Ridsdale left us in ?

I'm no fan of Bates, but I will argue with anyone who denies we're in a better position now than when he took over.

Macca72

"I think there is no takeover what so ever"

I see Mr Pessimistic is back again then.....

Why don't you just post:

"Here is the news - there is no news"

It would be just as exciting......

If there is no takeover, why are you writing about one?

A mess of ownership issues. if the takeover has fallen through it's probably due to the complex web of holding companies that own our assets.

When he first took over we'd nearly got back into the premiership via the play offs and were in the same league we're in now. We were also solvent. It was Bates that put us under in the first place. Why do all you apologists for Bates conveniently forget that? He cost us 25 points in deductions and has dragged our reputation down with offshore companies, dodgy ownership issues and so on. No, we are NOT in a better position than when Bates came in. We're in the same position in football terms with less hope.

Can we stop bitching about what Bates has or has not done and look forward to whatever future we have coming?

It's bad enough everyone having to put up with all the lies and false predictions on here regarding the takeover being off without everyone dragging up the past which we are hoping to escape from?

Look forward and hope, not backwards and bitch?

We can't change what's happened, but we can look forward to a new future...

... takeover or not, at least we won't have to put up with hte heap of crap that runed up on our pitch so many times last season!

MOT

The only propper mess Bates did was not buying back TP, when we had the chance. Sale would of probably gone alot smoother.
mot4life

17 Jul 2012 14:59:19
I think we should lighten up a bit if we can and change this from a rumours site to a 'chinese whispers' site to see who can come up with the most convoluted unbelieveable peice of mis-information ever?

Oh, sorry, looks like someone's beaten me to it, several in fact?

Still. might be fun to do it for ourselves rather than rely on the Wums and schoolchildren, we can show them how it's really done?

How about (Alan) Smith being loaned to Leeds by the MK Dons this season because they can't afford his wages? (Yes it's a joke before you react!)

Or Vinny Jones coming back to teach Austin how to NEVER get sent off while playing for Leeds? (Irony I know - but it never happened to my knowledge?)

Come on, there must be more out there?

I have it on good authority that we are getting a new fitness coach, an ex player by the Name of Thomas "Fatboy" Brolin

Isn't that a bit cruel to anyone who is a fatboy? I mean, Brolin was much worse than that?

NEWS FLASH! New midfield coach coming in to help with first touch and shot accuracy. He goes by the name of Carlton Palmer. WHAT A GUY!!
mot4life

I think Billy Paynter has already beaten Carlton Palmer to that post.....

17 Jul 2012 14:46:57
If I'm honest not too fussed about Lonergan leaving,he was a good shot stopper but he can't be that good considering he conceded the most in the league for Preston, and us! If Warnock thought he was good enough, he'd of kept him.....but Kenny is better, and he will be our number 1! I'd like to see Alex McCarthy come in as number 2, solid and young, future star for us!! Thanks Lonergan but you simply was not good enough! PickersLUFC

Plus he did not want to fight for his place so goodbye best for both parties

17 Jul 2012 14:44:09
lost one of our better keepers today, he was much better than Kasper 'Starfish', lets see how he goes with a GOOD defence in front of him, i can bet you he will have the games of his life against Leeds

Bolton.....better defence....errrr werent they relegated last season or have I missed something

StuW MOT

No you are correct , they were relegated, thats how they ended up being in the same division as us.

And yes their defence is better than ours was, looking at last year, they were in the premier, us the championship.

They concede 78, us 68, how many would our defence have leaked in the premier?, I shudder to think

Anyway thats is Grayson's history and we can look forward to warnocks future, maybe less goals for us but I'll accept a few more 1-0 and 1-1 results than the 4-0 and 5-1s we suffered last year.

The Futures white, the futures bright
MOT
ExCroggywhite

17 Jul 2012 14:32:23
THE DEALS OFF ? Come on guys get real. Is it really that importsant to us ? Who cares ?..... We are assembling a team of players who have been BOUGHT. For the first time in 5 years I'm getting excited about our prospects because we have a fighting team and a manager who drinks blood. Does it really matter who has financed the team to date ? I'm not a big fan of KB but if he's the guy financing at this time then well done. If its not and this is the new investment then whoopee. We are progressing one way or another.... BE HAPPY MoT

17 Jul 2012 14:04:18
Lads, calm down. Don't let the wind up merchants get your backs up! If the deal was off Leeds would release the news. Ken Bates would be straight on Yorkshire Radio telling us that the other party was useless/wouldn't put up the money/not good for the club etc. He can't help that sort of stuff. He loves the attention too much. Also don't take Forest as an example of how quickly it can be done. The ownsership structure there was simple and they were a much more willing seller after the death of the chairman. The purchase of Leeds will be very complicated and time comsuming. It's happening, relax.

We haven't got time to wait I'm afraid. It's as simple as that.

Why havn't we got time to waste?

Who said time is been wasted?

Ken will by trying to sell the club as fast as he can, whether its this week or next it doesn't really matter as long as it happens at some point. In the meantime NW is doing the best he can

Whether weve got time or not pal, waiting is what were having to do

'We haven't got time to wait I'm afraid. It's as simple as that'

I'm afraid you'll have to wait its as simple as that.

We don't have to wait at all. We can sell Snodgrass. We need to do that asap because, no matter how chilled out you all seem to be, this takeover still has EVERY CHANCE of not going through. Bates the old **** has wound a complex web of dodgy deals around our club, which must be an absolute nightmare to sift through.

So if you'd rather wait for it all to collapse, while Warnock waits for funds which never arrive, and we wait for decent signings which never materialise, then fair enough.

Sorry to pee on your bonfires my friends but - that is the way back to League One.

"We haven't got time to wait I'm afraid. It's as simple as that."

So what, exactly, ARE we going to do then?

Thanks Mr negative supporters like you we dont need.

"Sorry to pee on your bonfires my friends but - that is the way back to League One"

Sorry to pee on your comments 'friend' but we are around for as long as it takes, there's never been an instant fix, and never will be - that isn't the Leeds way.

I for one WILL wait and see, mainly because I for one have no power over who we sell or don't sell, or when we do it or not, and neither have you!

You WILL just have to wait like the rest of us, unless your name is Bates or Warnock, that is, but then you'd hardly be on here would you?

Suggest if you aren't going to wait you might like to get a lift over to the other side of the penines and try one of the two teams over there - you won't have to wait for them to get into the premiership.....

Leeds4alongtime (and prepared to wait a lot longer - still)

"Sorry to pee on your bonfires my friends "

So Mr friendly bonfire pee-oner, your idea would be to sell one player - Snodgrass, and purchase what? One other player (now that WOULD be a total pointless waste of time) or several others?

And when the takeover fails (your words) we then have several more players than we started with and no extra income to pay their wages?

That's not the way to end up in league 1, mate, that's the way to end up bankrupt or in administration (yet again!)

Is your name Ridsdale by any chance? He was pretty impatient too, and wanted everything done yesterday....

I have honestly never read so much tripe in all my life! So, "wise guys", what do you suggest happens then, if;

We're still waiting for the takeover on August 18th, when the season starts?

AND we WAIT until the last day of the transfer window to sell Snodgrass, who will definitely leave if there's no takeover?(remember Gradel last year?)

So you are seriously happy with that situation? Have you not noticed, we're having to sell to buy? Have you seen the squad as it stands? Do you think it's good enough? Have you not considered why Warnock very nearly walked?

Don't talk to me about being patient. I'm a Season Ticket holder and have been for long enough to know all about patience, thanks very much. There are many people, possibly including you for all I know, who gave up the ghost long since and decided to put no more money in Bates's pocket.

I've stuck with the club through thick and thin. All I'm saying is that in my opinion we should sell Snodgrass for the right fee. That's my opinion and I will stick by it. I think you may find that's what's going to happen anyway in the next day or two. No doubt then we will have all the proclamations of doom from many on here, but what else can the club do with no end in sight to the takeover and no sign of Snodgrass signing his deal?

Don't be so glib with your insults - you've no idea who you're talking to.

He who hesitates is lost.

"you've no idea who you're talking to."

So if you have any sort of influence here then why don't you actually DO something about this situation, rather than moan at us because we moan at you?

The FACT (and this time it IS a FACT) is that we have no choice BUT to wait and see what happens, no matter what we would like/hope/want/expect to happen.

YOU are stuck in the same place we are - just bystanders with no actual power to influence anything...

... and by the way - you don't know who I am either, that doesn't make me any more important than anyone else on here, including you!

"and no sign of Snodgrass signing his deal"

Actually Snodgrass was promised that if he remained at the club until xmas and Leeds weren't going anywhere, then Warnock would make sure he got transferred to a premier league club?

There were no preconditions about signing any deal or contract, and Snoddy is still here, ready to play, at least till xmas?

Snoddy has kept his side of the bargain, so why should we now sell him when he is prepared to play untill xmas as agreed?

If we sell him we've actually broken our agreement with him?

Verbal agreements mean nothing mate. Snodgrass has no intention of staying. Warnock's been on Talksport this morning and he sounds resigned to losing him.

"Snodgrass has no intention of staying"

So why is he still here then......

17 Jul 2012 13:21:24
I know the Norweigan league isnt the best in the world, but after watching this video, i have high hopes for Rodolph Austin. Great technically, can spray a pass, no nonsense tackling, can chip in with a few goals also, decent finisher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49hKuRYDzU

LJHS

Come on let's be honest none of us here know anything about this guy if truth be told son I'm not gonna slate the player simply because I have never heard of him but I'm also not gonna start raving what a quality player he is on the merit of a YouTube video.
We seriously need to get a grip of ourselves he could be a superb signing for all I know but he could just as easily be a complete flop so I for one won't be saying anything about this guy until if he signs I've seen him play a few times then we'll all know how good he is rather than using a YouTube video to make comments.

It's very easy to trot out the old "it's easy to look good on YouTube" line. You'd have a job to make Adam Clayton look that good, even in just a few clips!

Listen, the guy was Player of the Year in Norway. Warnock had him at QPR and would have signed him for them, having seen him at close quarters, if it hadn't been for the £2 million price tag.

That's good enough for me. The YouTube clips merely back up what Warnock already knows.

Apart from being a fantastic winner of the ball, he can take penalties, free-kicks, strike a ball from distance - he scored a cracking goal on Sunday. What more do you want? GET HIM IN.

There must be some merit in the fact that Stoke wanted to sign him but couldnt due to work permit. and NW himself had him on trial at QPR but was too pricey. NW knows what he is doing and evryone knows he is one of the best managers at getting the most out of his players! If he come im sure he will do the business.
Id also like to know who would be the superstar signings that ppl want to see coming in, I just cant see and big names coming in my opinion its a waste of money how many big names are in the teams that got promoted this season? maybe a few in west ham but that scraped through playoffs!
karlT

17 Jul 2012 12:30:55
This is not an 'In the know' rumour, this is my own thought on the matter re: Takeover.

I think this is being dragged out on purpose by both prospective buyer and current LUFC staff so that we can acquire our targets without the price inflating, I mean everyone in football and I mean everyone knows Ken Bates is as tight as they come with regards to funds/investment in the squad, while our prospective buyers would not want to be paying way over the odds for players we can get at maybe half the price, we saw it happen at City and now its happening at PSG, I'm hoping my thoughts are correct as this would save us a load of money, I believe the takeover will announced nearer transfer deadline day. MOT SussexLeeds

17 Jul 2012 11:49:04
Watched the highly touted video of "stone cold" Rodolph Austin and was very impressed, but was also impressed with one of his team mates who he seemingly links up well with. Diego Guastavino looks like a tricky little striker and in the Championship, unknown commodoties can win you games. On another note, i'm sick of hearing about the take over now, it'll happen if it happens and if it doesn't then it's not like we don't have a manager who can't get the best out of the players. That QPR team he took to the premier league were awful, but he managed to galvanise the lesser players into half decent individuals. If Snodgrass bid is anywhere near 4.5million then we should accept as that's a fair price for a player with 12 months on his contract. Also, 3.5million for Craig MacKail-Smith is fairly steep for the Championship, i'm not denying his talent, but i'm saying theres players out there worth alot less who are just as good. 2.5million for McCormack is such a fair price i'd snap someones hand off if they offered a million less, he's such a form player and not as consistant as his goal tally suggests but i certainly don't want Sylvain Ebanks Bonk (as Merson calls him) as he's even more unreliable. The signings made so far are good, strong and will do a job in the Championship, the signings to come look decent too, i just wish we'd take a look into the youth that did so well in the reserve league and youth leagues last season, why spend if your making them in your own academy? This was my first post on this site so i hope people go abit easy on me with their constructive criticism haha

Drakey6 (Dewsbury)

I agree, just want to know either way now so we can look forward to the new season & concentrate on the footy! AB

Diego guastavino has just signed for another club

17 Jul 2012 11:45:27
i say sell snoddy i would like to see him stay but if we got around the £4m mark for him i say sell him, we can then push on a sign players that we need ie. austin, peltier who looks like going back to huddersfield.

one major problem for leeds is as a club we are too slow to get anything done. the sale of forrest took like 4 weeks max why is it taking us like 2 months already with nothing in place.

loners has gone looks like aidy white will follow, so easily we will have 5.5million to buy a new squad not to mention ross leaving too so ur looking at £7m plus and replacing him with michail smith is a no go 8 goals in 19 goals out ratio is poor dont u think.

I kind of agree but I dont think we can really use the forrest takeover as a comparison. The Owner died (r.i.p nothing against him) bit of a different situation as we have bates who will obviously making an astute business deal!
KarlT

17 Jul 2012 11:36:16
Not really a rumour, just a thought.
How about Hutton from Villa for RB, apparently he is deemed surplus to requirements. Not sure if he will want to drop to the champ. What do you think ed?

Wages

17 Jul 2012 10:59:20
This Rodolph fella's a bit of a lad isn't he.
Just reading he's picked up 5 yellows and one red in 11 games. Could end up being a part timer at Leeds.
JB

Gradel wasn't exactly a saint, but he did a job...

Watching the video some of his tackles are vicious, good when they're well timed but likely to pick up a lot of bookings in the English league. couldn't get closer to a Leeds-type player though, so i'd take him.

Having him as a part timer would be better than having Paynter and the likes as full timers.....

17 Jul 2012 10:04:22
Wow, every post in dominated by "Unbelievable's"...........

Little faith eh?

LP

I think the "unbelieveables" all come from the fact that as Leeds fans we have been fed so much bull s##t recently we only believe it when we see the proof

"we only believe it when we see the proof"

... and even then we are not totally convinced,, lol!!

17 Jul 2012 09:36:47
Interesting little snippet about the takeover from the Yorkshire Post's report about the Terriers trying to hijack Peltier's move to Leeds.

Could this be true or just an error by the YP? Ed, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Possibly grasping at straws but maybe the media already know."That could potentially price Leeds out of a fresh offer with the club still awaiting transfer funds to be released following completion of their much-publicised takeover."

docsmith {Ed013's Note - It has been doing the rounds for a while. He was a Huddersfield player before so that could have some pull. The price the YEP are saying is too high in my opinion and I would rather buy Halford for less}

I think Warnock knows what the guy is worth to him/us as a player and won't be drawn into a dutch aucton.....

Sorry Ed. I meant to focus on the statement about the takeover being completed. Its the "following completion of the takeover" that I found interesting.
docsmith {Ed013's Note - Not yet mate}

17 Jul 2012 09:27:21
come on warnock ,
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17 Jul 2012 08:51:43
Yeeeeeeessssss!!!!
Its finally done, keep watching, any minute now.
Really good source

Whats happened? Promotion at work?

(PS Ed, i was the Zavon Hines post, fyi)

Your post would obviously be more creditable if you gave some indication of your source...any elaboration would be appreciated !!!
Jw666

Might be more worthwhile if he actually mentioned what he's referring to, as well.

Personally I prefer mustard to sauce, but there again perhaps he HAS found a 'really good sauce' that he wants to shout about?

Certainly nothing HAS been announced 'any minute now' from when the posting happened?

17 Jul 2012 07:36:33
Hey...

About this takeover... very mixed emotions on here people saying its done, people saying its dead.

When the due diligence statement was released.... Leeds stated they would not be making any more statements.

This could be an indication that maybe they will not confirm the takeover for some time.... maybe to do with transfers, maybe not.

They may leave it to the beginning of the season!

Theres bound to be a massive paper trail in these deals. Its not just the club which needs checking out by law firms, the buyers will do to, to make sure there not fakes!

Also theres all the FA checks which need to take place!

We all need to sit tight, ride out the storm and most importantly stick together, and get behind the team!

If this deal doesn't happen, then it will be a very sad day! but we will keep going at it!

Never forget: Were Leeds United, We rule Supreme!

M.O.T