Leeds Banter Archive February 14 2016

14 Feb 2016 13:41:59
cant not believe some fans are having a dig at MC for challenging sky.

I know it was a vote at start of season but of course the majority of the teams will say yes to equal share as it suits them.

Leeds are on TV more, meaning we lose money as gates are smaller, our fans are messed about as well as our team which can affect results.

also it means leeds are a preimum brand and supply more of a service than other clubs. What other industry or business would share our equal funds to all suppliers (which the clubs supply games to the chanel and veiwing figures) then rely heavily on one supplier but not pay them more? I work with an acting agency and we use some actors more than other so they get paid more, this said if I put a vote out most of the actor who work less would vote yes for the money to get shared equally.

As for people digging at MC I don't get the logic to this or understand it. he is making a stand by our club and trying to get a fairer deal for our club and earn our club more money (which is only fair) and he is still getting slated by some. can some one please supply the logic to this and why this one thing doesn't make him a hero for leeds. Not other things such as pie tax sacking managers hiring hock and being mad in press) but on this one fact how can anyone say anything that is not positive about the man?

In my opinion this is illogical and blind hatred and I really do not understand it. Sky have taken the P'"""s for years about time someone stood up for our club.

14 Feb 2016 14:27:28
It's because of Cellino pal. Their hate for him clouds their judgements. I can't believe any Leeds United fan would support sky.

14 Feb 2016 15:02:46
Well put BW totally agree! The football league have treated Leeds Utd like dirt over many years, and still do! Hope MC wins this case against them and Sky! Can't believe the mentality of these fans who are slagging him off, for standing up to them? On one hand they moan and whinge about fixture changes, then stick the knife in him, for trying to do something about it!

14 Feb 2016 15:59:23
Agree BW it is about time we looked after ourselves and use a legal challenge to the FL and sky.

I have a friend who works in image rights ( god I sound like Jeff survivor ) and they reckon that to have the rights for our games it would be worth in the 15m to 20m space due to our brand being strong abroad were footie sells for a lot. They use this model in Spain of course we're rm and Barcelona get loads for their own TVs rights so MC is looking to give us a commercial advantage so why not try it and see if the FL and Sky cartel stands up to a legal challenge, who cares what other clubs think they don't do us any fav in the past.

Anyway we get 2m at the moment so.

14 Feb 2016 16:41:53
I totally agree with Bermondsey, whilst not an MC fan he is completely right to Challenge Sky.

Leeds have suffered more than most as a historically big club, as the Sky revenue dwarfs the receipts from ticket and merchandise sales. There is no way Bournemouth would be in Premier League pre Sky.

Is it my imagination or are there far more Championship Games on Sky since BT started televising some Premier League games?

I didn't realise the revenue (as per SG90) is only £2m pa, which is ludicrous compared to the PL pay outs. There can be no justification for the massive financial differential between the 2 leagues. The problem I suppose being that most Championship teams would not attract big audiences, another reason why the teams being televised the most get the greatest financial reward, otherwise it's not fair.

14 Feb 2016 19:15:58
Your dead right BW.
I just think he went about it the wrong way a few weeks back.
Im still uncertain if MC does these things on the spur or is he just way to impulsive? Either way he makes us look like a tinpot club on occasions. Imo.

14 Feb 2016 19:51:48
agree with that cork, he is far too impulsive and does things on spur of moment, I think everyone agrees he should stay away from press and things worked lot better when he had adam pearson to act as a kind of buffer.

14 Feb 2016 21:08:58
I think its just the Italian way of doing things to stamp his feet and shout and he's set in his ways. in his defence that has worked for him so he doesn't see the need to change and I do feel he wants to be successful in everything he does and has ambition for our club. Saying that he needs guidance on how to handle Football league and media even though the media never have a good word for Leeds but he definitely needs a Pearson type to be the frontman. Still think he has clubs best interests at heart.

15 Feb 2016 07:46:22
Yeah, let's just spend money on court cases, not footballers to put on the pitch. We signed the agreement along with every other club at the start of the season. Cellino is not doing this for the fans, it's because we will lose income through the gate being poor. If only he had released some funds for his coach we may have something to put on the pitch, thus ensuring people will want to come and watch.

15 Feb 2016 14:24:36
Can whoever diagreef with my post explain why it's more important to spend money on court cases rather than football players.

15 Feb 2016 16:12:55
I think the point is that there are certain clubs not just Leeds who as a result of the sky deal end up out of pocket which when you consider the money being awarded to ALL premier league sides will excess 100 mil each.
We have not started any legal battles, but my opinion only the big teams or ones like ourselves with good fan attendance are losing money every game, which is M C 's point and one I do agree with .

15 Feb 2016 16:24:11
have to agree with deda on this one the court cases seem a odd use of money, does this come out of the same pot (genuine question as don't know) I don't agree with signing the deal and then questioning it that for me is fine as I think sky have gone bit too far with amount we are on telly and moving games so after seeing our useage it would be ok to question the buy out (as it would be pharsed in my industry although I know it is different industry TV rights are Tv rights so it should be very similar just one is a sport the other it tv film or commercial it is the same thing really and in basic deal) no tv show would go for this or actor to get paid the same yet used more it just wouldn't stand so I can see this an know my agent would question it.

14 Feb 2016 11:49:19
WELL DONE MC for taking on Sky and FL about TV rights deal. Nothing to do with do with MC lovers or haters, Sky have been taking the p*ss for years, and its about time someone challenged the sky deal, the Fit and Proper Person test, Sean Harveys bank account etc. etc.
Its ridiculous that virtually all the money goes to Premier League and the rest have virtually no chance of getting there unless they gamble with their clubs finances.
Let's get rid of this, and the bunch of pocket lining (allegedly) old cronies that pull the strings of football in this country.

14 Feb 2016 12:56:34
What a clown don't you see what he's doing. football league voted this deal in democratically. so the clown now thinks it's wrong and thinks he can do what he likes. because he's SKINT . go and go now for gods sake before he really destroys us.

14 Feb 2016 13:04:47
Are you Shaun Harvey, or Ken Bates? Hard to tell.

14 Feb 2016 13:32:06
No I'm just a fan who wants his club to be rid of crooks and clowns. sooner the better.

14 Feb 2016 13:48:12
slufc, I understand your views about MC but can you please explain your views and comment on this one post please? as I see it we are on tv more, supply more of a service, lose more money and there for should be entitled to more money than others who offer less of a sercive. the vote is not really fair as the majority are not on Tv half as much as leeds so they would lose money and make leeds a rival club far far richer, so they do best by their club and vote yes. MC wants best by his club and votes no and complains about it.

Say what you want about MC love, hate or be indifferent their are arguments for and against in many areas and both sides have vaild points. However on this one point that you have commented I can not see any reason, logic or facts behind this view.

On this one point (and maybe this one point alone) every leeds fan must stand behind MC, respect and allpud him surely? if not can someone explain why not? again just on this one thing where he is in the right and doing the right thing for our club.

14 Feb 2016 13:59:11
So you don't care about our league. if all the clubs negotiate their own deals what happens to every other club. think of Spanish league.2 clubs compete every year. why? . this is just MC doing exactly what he tried at Cagliari. the FL is a democratic organisation. majority rules. if we're in it we have to abide by it. the way he's going we won't be in it for long. can't you see that?

14 Feb 2016 14:17:56
i do care about our league but care about leeds more (that is the nature of a supporter is it not? ) . as a logical man I think every team should be given a basic fee/ wage. then bonuses should be paid out for services provided and usesage. no other industry works this way. plus we need to be compensated for loss of gates plus just the fact that we are being used. some questions for you

1.do you think it is fair that teams that are on tv more do not get paid more (if so should other jobs/ services work this way? )
2. do you think any other chairman would not do exactly the same thing if this was their club?
3. do you not think the way I suggested is fairer, if not what way would you suggest?
4. do you not think Mc is trying to do his best by leeds? is he not dammed if he does and dammed if he don't in this one instant?

14 Feb 2016 14:29:05
SLUFC
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my posting. It's actually not really anything to do with MC. I've no idea if he's skint or not ( and I suspect neither do you) , and I don't know his motives. I just totally agree with the stand he is taking - it wouldn't matter to me who was doing it. Just time this far too cosy relationship between Sky and the football league was properly challenged.

14 Feb 2016 14:31:14
Slufc if it wasn't Cellino behind it, I'm guessing you would support this. You don't want to be like Germany or Spain? It already is, only Man City and Chelsea can win the league. Wake up, other clubs use Leeds to get more money from Sky. Without us they wouldn't get near the current contract and they know it. It's the same as using someone else's image rights to boost your own company without their consent. Time we took a stand as others are more than happy to use us for their own personal gain.

14 Feb 2016 18:14:44
what upsets me with so many (not all) of the hate MC posts and posters is they are quick to judge and vocalise and even belittle opposite views, yet when asked to give logic or answer questions to show substance to views their is never a reply. then posters like myself get our words twisted or accused of being bullies or not thinking others should have an opionin which is far from the case.

we are all passionate about leeds and all entilted to a view and of course want to voice it as is it about our club and something we all care deeply for. yet things can sometimes turn personal which is a shame and when questions are asked or people ask for views to be explained there is very rarely any answer. This can only make me believe this is just blind hatred for MC by fans who can not really jusitify their views which I think is sad for the club IMO. This said I have suffered the same hate for Bates, vardy, crainey and the HOCK. I was calling for hock's head hours after he was appointed and started a chant of sacked in the morning ten minutes into his first game in charge. I guess my point is all fans often do and should be allowed to love to hate someone connected to the club maybe that is part of the fun and crazyness of being a football fan?

14 Feb 2016 21:20:46
Could not agree more the MC haters don't like getting caught up in reasonable questions.

14 Feb 2016 21:35:47
The logical view my brother is, LUFC entered an agreement with the other 72 FL clubs to receive whatever they receive from SKY. They were told what they would receive when they entered the agreement. If they are now no longer happy with said deal, they wait till said deal finishes, then either A not enter the next deal, or B get the deal changed before entering . Can the other 71 clubs vote to have LUFC removed from the league? Now I ask you BW, are you really an LUFC supporter? I see in the premiere league some teams are on a lot more than others, I don't see them challenging SKY? I wonder why that is? I have also read in other post that LUFC are not as great as we once were so we should live in the now and accept where we are now as a club . But on the other hand tell FL, Sky and other 71 clubs we are more important than you's .

14 Feb 2016 22:52:47
raggity you have raised some good points and shed some light on the other side of this argument which I think is good in the nature of debate. Leeds did enter an agreement and have seen out this agreement which they have rightly had to do as you state, I feel mc like many leeds fans have felt that this season in particular (although ever season sky do it but this season has been very bad) sky have taken things a bit too far. Leeds have been on sky far more than any other club in Fl and maybe more than most in prem. They have cost us a lot in lower gates and mess the playing squad and fans around far too much by moving games to other dates and times to suit their cameras. MC has felt (maybe justified maybe not) that they have gone too far and wants a better/ fairer deal. No one can doubt this is best for leeds and surely can not blame him for trying can they?

no other industry would stand for this if so name one? no other football club would stand for this, if so name one? abroad they work on a deal which is similar to the one MC is propsing in theroy and one which would seem far fairer in a business and trade sense so it must in theory work and be something sky and the football league could be open to. I know a little about law from when I was a study and without knowing the in's and outs it could be seen as explotation of the club, fans and assests.

as to if the other clubs can chuck us out of the league I honestly don't know, as to if the Fl and sky would want us out of the league I doutb that as we are a big brand and earn them both a lot of money (hence why we are on sky ever three days dispte being mid/ low table team. so even if they can chuck us out I doutb they would want to but again this is guess work.

as for prem teams not challenging sky it is because the more successful clubs are on more and they are minted anyway due to champs league and big funds so it is not worth the law suit I would imiagine that certainly makes sense to me.

i know in my industry no one would stand for it and equity would have a lot to say and in fact deals like this are illgal in principle and that is a FACT (yes I just cap locked FACT)

as for my other posts, no we are no longer a great club, we have been badly run, we are not in great finital health, our squad is not great and we have no right to be in top league or to expect success. I stand by this where you have misunderstood me is I do not on other hand say to tell FL and sky and other clubs we are more important to you, what I expect them to realise and to tell them is histocricly we are massive and due to fan base and other reasons we are still a big box office draw distpite not being a big club or successful. proof here is that this is the reason you keep putting us on telly so often, therefor I think it is fair that you pay us for this service a basic deal for all clubs then bonus for use of being on telly or maybe a rule we pay each club 2m and you can be on telly four times after that amount if we want to use you more we have to pay 0.5 per game over this amount. this seems fair and in line with every other industry that I know do you not agree with this principle.

as to your final question which I think is very founded, no I am not a leeds fan you have finally found me out and I do not know how you caught me. I am in fact a millwall fan, I just have a lot of leeds shirts because I look good in white and I am fasinated with the yorkshire accent and love big strong yorkshire men like speedy and MM and hope that if I pretend to be a fan on here they might leave their wives for me, I know this is a long shot but one can only dream.

{Ed003's Note - If (for reasons of debate) Cellino won this case (if their is one) it would set a precedent and you can bet your last quid the big boys in the prem would follow suit which would only damage the english game imo as the void between the have's and have not's would only get bigger,Barca and Real have recently had to go the other way in Spain and the other clubs get more(not enough imo but it's a start).

Just to place on record I hate the modern game/greed/how young fans are now etc... more of the elite money should go to The FL/grassroots - but if what we are led to believe is true this is very dangerous ground for the English game.}

14 Feb 2016 23:38:18
i agree with this ed and I think more money should go to grass roots (although what little I have seen in my local area things have got a lot better and there are better coaching, faciclties and more opportunites out there now. not sure if that is nation wide and even if it is things need to improve dramaticly.

i also see your point and agree but reality is this is now an industry/ business and clubs are a marketable export. my only point is there should be some bonus or fee for services provided to tv companies for live games as it is not fair that this season leeds have been exploited and been on tv too much which has affected crowd fans and the squad and this is not fair. if sky pay each team the same each team should be shown same times after that a bonus should be paid on top. In my industry it works in buy outs. you get paid a basic studio fee for filming then if you feature in commercial they have to pay a buy out to have your rights shown. this changes from avdert/ product to advert/ product but their are standard fees in place. they pay to show you for set amount of time, if they then re-air your advert they have to pay you again. same I should imagine with lots of other industries and I think it should be the same with football. leeds get paid 2m like every other club for this sky can show us four time just say like every club after this we get a bonus of x amount each time, this is fair to the channel that want to show us as a product/ brand and fair to the club for services rendered (as it states in my industries contracts) . this seems fair and is a way of buiness and life in 2010's some people may not like that and I can see and agree but the only other way would be for every club in prem and Fl to get same fee from Man city to hartlepool and every club gets shown the same amount of times. this would be the most fair but Sky not the big boys would settle for this and I guess that is understandable. in my industry brad pitt gets paid more than jo nobody sadly it is a way of life.

{Ed003's Note - I agree it is a business which is sad in itself but it is like no other business which is why the English game would be ruined by such action - I'm off to bed goodnight. #footballfirst }

14 Feb 2016 08:51:11
Just checking the value of squads on transfermatkt.com and it's no surprise that 5 out of the top 6 clubs are the 5 most valuable in the championship. Leeds are below half way down : (

14 Feb 2016 09:17:59
There's a good reason for that. These clubs have quality players that cost a lot of money. (We don't) . They also pay high wages. (We don't) . Look at Sheff Wednesday all that money spent and where are they? On yeah only Six points from the top.
Yeah, but who'll be laughing next season if they don't go up?
Then again what if they do? Because I'll tell you something they have a good chance of doing so, whereas we have none.
Do you think Wednesday's fans are sat in the pub after another win worrying about the financial ramifications of not going up? No they'll be happily getting pissed! 😦.

14 Feb 2016 09:31:50
I would be even more worried if we were at the top and in the same position in the league😂

On another note - what do we think about MC battling for Leeds to get what we deserve from TV rights - cutting out less interesting teams and the FL from their 'share'

Should all the money go to the clubs that are being televised?

14 Feb 2016 09:38:03
I still think Wednesday will be laughing if they don't go up as they will have an assembled squad who will have played together for a period of time and will be able to hit the deck running.

14 Feb 2016 10:05:58
Probably around 16th for a guess.

MM.

14 Feb 2016 12:20:30
NottsWhite if they don't go up, their manager will get the sack and they will have to rebuild with new players and an embargo.

14 Feb 2016 12:38:42
Time will tell SG90.

14 Feb 2016 15:10:43
I doubt if Wednesday will get any sanctions. Prob some loophole. Seems that teams just get small fines (500 000) which is far less than they spend on single players. And they still have a good squad for the following season. They should just deduct points for ANY breach of the rules.

14 Feb 2016 18:20:01
Trev you clearly do not know the fa rules and regs.


fa rule 103. 5a

any team found guilty of any financial irregularity or dependencies shall only be fine a small fine as token gesture unless said team is Leeds United AFC

fa rule 103. 5b

is said club found guilty of the above charge is leeds united they shall be deducted a minimum of 10 points at least twice and shall be raped by the f. a, ssn and any chairman that we shall let take them over without due diligence taking place

fa rule 204. 3c

at all times the fa/ fl will try and screw over Leeds utd acf

fa rule 302. 1a

F""k LEEDS UNITED AFC!

14 Feb 2016 18:58:38
FA rule 342/ b. Clearly states that the fa can change any of the above rules to suit themselves and make it far worse for LUFC. At any time as they see fit.

Obviously QPR are exempt from any punishment.

14 Feb 2016 05:05:18
I'm sure I know less than nothing. But with young players before (Lennon, Milner etc) we are still regarded as having a great youth system. So why not play them now!

14 Feb 2016 09:29:57
lennon and milner? we can't play them we sold them years ago, I think everton and liverpool might have something to say about that :)

14 Feb 2016 11:15:36
Lol, I meant we played them when they were very young and look how they developed!

14 Feb 2016 18:20:34
sorry couldn't resist.

15 Feb 2016 07:47:00
Beat me to it BW!