Leeds Banter Archive November 11 2012

11 Nov 2012 22:49:29
i was at the match on saturday first time in almost 20 years .these are my thoughts
mr warnock should concentrate the team rather than ranting at officials
i had no idea as to the formation we were playing
why was peltier playing at left back when his left leg is only used for standing on
aidy white cant tackle cant cross and cant beat a player
so left hand side was hopeless also fell over when approached by a tackler
el hadj diouff is showing signs of age clever but no pace varney battled hard but with little help
norris and tonge worked hard austin was our best player by miles until hall came on
not hard to see why qpr let kenny go he was lack luster at best
and why was it necessary to use a substitute when pearce was sent off the crowd wasnt happy either that or they dont like paul green judging by the booing
the atmosphere was flat even before the game but the crowd did its best at times to be the missing men late in the second half
overall a baffling display of management and team selection
travelled home with a group of very disgruntelled fans who dont like warnock and are preparing for a return to league one
sad to see what a once great club has become
p.s.zola was very gracious in his after match interview not gloating at all

With regards to Paul Green, I was at the match and I presume people were booing the decision to replace him as up until him coming off was as good as if not better than anyone else we had out there. The first half was actually as good as we have played all season until the sending off since we tried to play football without just hoofing the ball forward. Varney seems to be improving with each game and hopefully will be given a little more time in that role. White was poor but that didn't excuse so called fans booing him until he was substituted. Where was Drury? Hopefully he was injured because he is by far our best left back. What has Kisnorbo done wrong to not get a look in when our defence is fairly shambolic at times. I hope that Neil can solve the problems since I still believe that he is the man to get us promoted but he needs to sort things out and soon!

I wouldn't worry about it. The team and manager will be totally different in 20 years when you manage to make it to your next game

Legendary reply. Proud of you. It was a one off game. Support with your heart and good times will come

If all you can manage is one game in 20 years then who are you to criticise players you have never seen before, person

Single parent low income football a treat for daughter,used to be season ticket holder enough said

11 Nov 2012 19:56:03
Who will Kisnorbo partner in central defense for next game? Gimple??

Or should the question be, who will partner Lees?

Not sure, I'm available.......haven't played for 10yrs but up for it;)

11 Nov 2012 21:36:40
Lees

Doesn't Lees have eye problems?

No Lees is fit again, He came on as sub in the watford game and is now with the under 21's preparing for the Ireland game. lets just hope he comes through un-scaved. We need this take over moe desperatly than ever!

That would be NORTHERN Ireland

11 Nov 2012 19:53:07
I'm really confused as to why warnock decided to replace two players at half time when we have already made one change when Pearce got sent off, you might as well commit suicide if you do that. Make a change but you've still got 45 mins to play. Do not get some of his decisions sometimes.

11 Nov 2012 18:37:15
Mill wall,palace ,Leicester and hudds next 4 games.
Can you actually see us winning any with the side we have less Austin?..bottom 3 end of nov..don't care if you slag me off.
There's only one way to get better,get takeover done,get in a quality manager,who doesn't make excuses and bin at least 6 of first team

I said after going to Burnley that a couldn't see when we would win another game and yesterday proved right, other managers have sussed out our weaknesses , were there for the taking . Could be in the bottom 3 by new year and this really could happen on present form.

We can still win these games. We can't sit back and have got to go for it.
Kenny
Peltier lees kisnorbo drury
Bryan Norris green tonge
Diouf varney

Problem has been that we have defended too deep, allowed teams to attack us and played long ball. Warnock should have played Norris green and Austin in midfield from the beginning, but of course both green and Norris were injured. Play both now and leave out brown.

I admire your enthusiasm , but Kisnorbo is well past his sell buy date, Varney needs a use buy date of which was yesterday, and the squad itself needs pace up front.

Peltier will probably play in centre with lees while byram drop to rb and hall plays rm

That side is ok with the exception of varney. varney is garbage. i would also give ashdown a chance might give kenny a kick up the arse he needs hes not in side on merit just on old pals act

11 Nov 2012 17:31:22
Now 18th, conceded more goals than Peterbrough and heading the wrong way in the table, when alls said and done managers keep they're jobs on results alone, past promotions / reputation/ experience count for nothing if the next 2/3 games end in defeat wether you rate Warnock or not he's OUT.

You can't keep blaming him he's only working with what he's got.

What he's got is player HE bought,

11 Nov 2012 19:50:06
look at the progress LU have made thus far and compare it with last season. KB cant wait to get his profit. NW has to take the blame. I honestly believe he has past it, Players were brought in by NW, 50% not to the required standard let alone the PL. if we were to be promoted only 4/5 players would survive the rest with long contracts would be playing in the reserves on good good wages and nobody wants. Remember this happened before. The future ?? we need to pray real hard.

11 Nov 2012 15:07:49
Meesage to Bates

If you even think about stalling on the takeover ( if that is possible) bacause of a possible better offer from this yank then think again.Be aware the tumbleweed will be cascading through ER on matchdays. Your assess is dwindling all the time because if this cuerrent situation goes on then relegation beckons, and nobody will want in invest in that. After yesterday you can likely chalk off another 1500 from a typical gate reciept. Time to go Bates, not possible for one man to be hated more that you are.

LLHB MOT

11 Nov 2012 14:04:05
Peter Taylor as pick players him being in Jan . When takeover as football boss with Gus as first team coach

For the 3rd time today...I bloody hope not!!

11 Nov 2012 13:13:47
Hope the Preston Haskell rumour is true. He sounds like someone that will do us some good and he knows Bates so he should be able to get the deal done more easily than GFH. GFH have messed us about too long, if they really wanted the club they would have taken it by now and not argued with Bates over every little point. Haskell seems quite transparent incomparison to them and seems to at least have the funds with is own money and his fathers company.
It might give GFH a kick up the a**e at the very least.

I agree with you on GFHC...however Preston Haskill knows MasterBates are you mad poster!? ha

I hope this is a fake thing to give GFH a kick up arse

Dont talk carp, the last thing we need is one of bates tax exiles buddies buying us. It's all sh*te anway just Castles sh*t stirring again. GFH will be our owners this week so back them and stop whinging.

11 Nov 2012 11:36:15
Watched the interview with Warnock. He says he's going to take a few days to think things over. He has been messed about with false promises for months now. He looked to me like he was ready to walk. Don't be suprised if the never ending takeover doesnt happen in the next few days aand he is given money to get players in. I think he will resign, and I cant blame him!

Hope you are right bout warnock
Can't pick the right players
Can't play football
Makes stupid substitutions
And says he lost interest at half time
Bugger off today. Don't take three days youre a bloody disgrace

I agree to say he has lost interest in a game at 0-1 is ridiculous he should go and give redknapp his chance to win the premier league with the mighty leeds, All the best rudy leeds legend already.

11 Nov 2012 10:53:05
Apart from Kenny and possibly Austin this is Neil warnocks 2nd or even 3rd choice team not the team he wanted due to funding again, so please don't say its his team (makeshift at best).

B/s. He spent money on Pearce and Peltier. The defence is his just not the midfield or attack.

Drivel. Stop apologising for the worst Leeds manager in living memory - and I'm getting on a bit so that's a lot of managers.

11 nov 2012 09:47:12
warnock out what a joke he his

11 Nov 2012 09:09:09
now - i'm not gonna turn on NW because we lost 6-1 at home - camels donkeys straws and backs though....for the first i'm wondering how would we be/do if SG was still here but with an actual transfer kitty...had faith till now...no bandwagons, scapegoats or witchhunts, just beginning to wonder......how dors everyone else feel ? Also NW allways said he'd go when not wanted by the fans - knowing our frustration & impatience if we begin to start losing the faith then he'll be off....i guess if we don't do brilliantly in january he'll get his marching orders...

Your only starting to wonder now? He has been in charge for 30 games, go look at our win percentage under him, look at our goals conceded, goals scored, number of players picked, look with your own eyes at the terrible football being played, look at the rubbish he has brought in ( varney, Pelletier, Norris, green, grey...) all his stats are much worse than Grayson and he's had much more backing, nine players in our first team yesterday were his signings.we are going no where with warnock and bates.

11 Nov 2012 13:18:40
Selective memory loss me thinks- bessone pugh bruce connelly painter rodgers sam rachubka forsell vayrynen + many many more

Listing Grayson's crap signings is all very well, but he never had a £2m pre-season budget and still signed better players than Warnock. Look at the league table - it tells you everything you need to know.

Yes Grayson also brought in crap, but we got better results under him, won more games, conceded less goals , lost less games......and he was never given the money warnock has

11 Nov 2012 05:22:27
Due some bad luck after picking up so many points we didn't deserve! Real shame fir Austin. We are really going to miss him. Still manager screwed us using all our subs up
We need a new manager. Warlocks days are over, fir him to say he wasn't concerned about the match just Austin shows he has given up already. Get him out and as someone said last week, give the cash to a new manager to spend cause warnock will only waste it. We are in deep rubbish and it will be hard for a new manager to turn this season around but warnock has no chance. We are going down if he dosent go.

11 Nov 2012 01:09:04
Lets cheer up! We can pull through this but only if we all get behind the team ! And rudy is a legend I wish him all the best and let's get promoted for him... #promotion for rudy
M.O.T

Nice to read a positive post and not all these persons who start crying when things go bad

Although I wish Rudi well and a speedy recovery I think a lot of you are getting carried away with how good he is. He isn't that good. He was awful at Wednesday (Probably tired); he was worse at Burnley and I cant remember if he played against watford and birmingham. He goes missing for ages and often runs around like a headless chicken. JD

Wake up and smell the coffee we are in a relegation dogfight

11 Nov 2012 00:50:13
shocking today 17th in the table now is worrying, but still we are not a million miles away from play offs. we need a few players in this week but results like that will not do us any favours. i think with lees and pearce out our defence is going to be dodgy. hopefully bates will see this run off form as a good time to get this deal donee as quick as possible.

We were 14th when bates took us over and we are now 17th . during his tenure we have been deducted a total of 25 pts relegated to division 1 and stayed there for 3 yrs . i am not defending him in any way but he bought the club for 10m and is reportedly selling it for 40m . he must have done something but what the hell is it . when we ended up 7th the season before last instead of spending 6m on the team he spent it on a stand which is 2 3rds empty every week . surely building a museum and some boxes doesnt put the price of our club up by 30m . the potential of the club is massive but that solely depends on us turning up in our thosands but we are not going to do that to look at amuseum and boxes its all about what happens on the pitch for us . david haigh is a very intelligent guy and has a brilliant cv in the world of high finance so there is no way bates can get one over him but he has probably constantly tried hence the marathon talks . i know nothing about the world of finance can somebody please explain why bates is walking away with 30m because its yet more proof there is no god .

Not a million miles away from the Play offs? talk about blind faith, we'll be lucky to avoid a relegation battle, very little quality, hoof ball tatics,with injury's we will be putting out one of the worst teams in the league. This could become one of the worst goals against seasons in our history.

It doesn't seem to matter who's in the back 4 our defence is dodgy week in and out.

It was dodgy with Lees and Pearce in it! If Green plays at right back we only need three new defenders three midfielders and two strikers! Might have a chance of stopping up then!

The morning after feeling..........
It was like a bad day on the booze,it started off great,then something happened,things got a little crazy,one of the lads gets injured,things get out of hand,before youknow it.....what happened there,you loose your shape,things come apart and all you want to do is sleep it off!!!
REality is now dawning,we look at what weve got,we call up the troops,we bring in the youth,the poleons,the gimples the taylor twins,dawsons etc,we need to do something quick now we are going to have a very big hole in defence,with pearce,lees and ruddy out.Forget the takeover,anything financial,the money would be there if you are doing ok,but when you're desperate need a helping hand,you have no chance,so you have to pool on your resources.OURS IS THE YOUNG LADS> come on lets get behind the manager,keep the faith..

Simple he got the club cheap because of the massive debt we were in. As we are now in a much better financial position with allegedly very little if any debt he can see for a big profit

We now have loads of debt. Check the debentures records at Companies House - it only costs a few quid.

10 Nov 2012 23:34:53
I'm sick of all the doom and gloom on here
Yeah warnock is not getting results but who is there that could work wonders without a budget
The players he spent money on probably varney aside were players most fans were happy with
Sick of people slagging him off whilst loving Grayson
Get over it and support who we got or don't bother going
Russ

Come on Russ - you're deluding yourself. He had 2m pre season - that's a decent budget at this level. He bought, for the most part, ageing midfielders lacking in pace and creativity. These players are just the kind of players he likes irrespective of budget.

Not so long ago you were blaming Grayson's players. Warnock has brought in 14 new players, as Bates pointed in yesterdays's programme. It's not often I agree with Bates but his observation that that's a lot of Warnock's own players and they've now had time to gel is spot on. Rather ironic that he and Warnock are setting so much store on the return of McCormack and Somma - two GRAYSON signings.

Warnock's long ball is no longer relevant. His 'solid, muscular' players are being outplayed and out-thought. We're lucky to be where we are having picked up a lot of lucky points this campaign.

Yesterday's result has been coming ever since the Barnsley game and if you're honest with yourself you know that to be true.

And as I've said before, I don't join in the Bates Out chants - it's counterproductive, but that's my choice. If others want to then they have a right to protest in whatever way they wish. They've paid a lot of money for the privilege.

As for Grayson, I agree, he's history, but it clearly looks like a very big mistake now doesn't it?

Warnock Out - before we find ourselves in a relegation battle.

No I disagree
You say Grayson was a mistake
The mistake was trusting him for do long
Yeah warnock can't get it right at minute but don't forget that he has still got lots of graysons tat on the books hindering a wage budget for loan signings
Also if you recall with regards McCormack Grayson only played him under sufferance same as clayton
Warnock may not be the right man but I trust him to come good
1 thing for certain is that Grayson definately wasn't
Russ

Grayson's tat? 9, that's NINE, Warnock signings started that game. The programme notes centre around wanting Grayson players fit again.

Warnock's had a higher spending budget and a higher wage budget funded by a loan from GFH. It's all in the public domain so that is not conjecture. More money, worse results. Explain how that is better.

As for Clayton, Grayson was such a big fan he bought him for his new team. He dropped McCormack when he was playing badly and, after a bit of sulking, he came back a better, fitter player. That's what good managers do. Crack omelettes to make eggs.

Grayson certainly made a few errors, as you would expect from a young manager still learning his trade but the fact is he took us to 7th with fewer resources. How obvious does it have to get before you can see how much better he was for us?

Look at the table. Where are we? Where's Grayson's team? All the evidence says I'm right and you're clinging on because you've set so much store by Warnock all year.

Sorry mate, this is not meant to be personal. I admire your loyalty but you've lost the plot, just like your beloved Warnock.

10 Nov 2012 23:45:13
Ok warnock out. Rafa in. New owners,new manager, fresh start with good budget. Lets face it he will be leaving anyway in the summer so we don't want the new manager to have a load of deadwood left to get shut of. Lets cut our losses now.mot

Rafa haha I bloody hope not!

Ha yeah
Lets hope rafa can sign Gerard messi and maybe see if can bring best out of Torres again eh
Russ